a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:24*pm, "Jim" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Aug 12, 2:33 pm, John H. wrote:



On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
....

On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:

I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...

Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat..

Eisboch

Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.

What is this, some sort of *us* against *them* NG? *Grow up John.

Actually Jim H, it seems to be going in that direction. The group seems to
be getting more polarized day by day. And! I'd be really surprised if John
would follow advise given by a dirtbag like you.
It's depressing to be in a confrontational mode constantly. So for my mental
health, I have decided to banish you to a dark smelly place. Morbid
curiosity gets the best of me sometimes, and I will be checking in on you
from time to time.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to
me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

-----------------------------

I reject the "kisses up to", *but I think I know why maybe I can have a
disagreement with Harry without the name calling.

It's because I attempt not to do it myself.

Keeping personal insults out of a discussion doesn't weaken your position or
POV.

Eisboch

Usually, the most I (and most of us) ever call him is a liar, usually
when he is lying. You can have your fun though, the wife is looking
into BB software for me, mabey I will start a group. If I do, it will
be either on the Karma system, or have a few neutral mods with
teeth...

I will leave the nasty comments about this post to wafa and his
friends..

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote:

On Aug 12, 3:24*pm, "Jim" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 2:33 pm, John H. wrote:



On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:

I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...

Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch

Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.

What is this, some sort of *us* against *them* NG? *Grow up John.

Actually Jim H, it seems to be going in that direction. The group seems to
be getting more polarized day by day. And! I'd be really surprised if John
would follow advise given by a dirtbag like you.
It's depressing to be in a confrontational mode constantly. So for my mental
health, I have decided to banish you to a dark smelly place. Morbid
curiosity gets the best of me sometimes, and I will be checking in on you
from time to time.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

Does this mean you consider Eisboch a 'good guy' again? Or are you just
using the support he provided Harry?

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:29*pm, wrote:
On Aug 12, 3:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message

....

On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to
me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

-----------------------------

I reject the "kisses up to", *but I think I know why maybe I can have a
disagreement with Harry without the name calling.

It's because I attempt not to do it myself.

Keeping personal insults out of a discussion doesn't weaken your position or
POV.

Eisboch


I will leave the nasty comments about this post to wafa and his
friends..

Like "And! I'd be really surprised if John would follow advise given
by a dirtbag like you." and your use of the term "wafa"?

Unbelievable.

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to
me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

-----------------------------

I reject the "kisses up to", but I think I know why maybe I can have a
disagreement with Harry without the name calling.

It's because I attempt not to do it myself.

Keeping personal insults out of a discussion doesn't weaken your position or
POV.

Harry seeks you approval and he wouldn't dare be uncivil to you. If
Harry was uncivil to you he may suffer being cast aside by the only
person left that accepts him and his behavior in his eyes.

Like I've said before you, generally speaking, are known for the friends
or company you keep and if you claim Harry as a friend or keep him in
your company your character is questionable or you want a punk around to
make you look good.

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:31*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote:
On Aug 12, 3:24*pm, "Jim" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

....
On Aug 12, 2:33 pm, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:

I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...

Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch

Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.

What is this, some sort of *us* against *them* NG? *Grow up John.

Actually Jim H, it seems to be going in that direction. The group seems to
be getting more polarized day by day. And! I'd be really surprised if John
would follow advise given by a dirtbag like you.
It's depressing to be in a confrontational mode constantly. So for my mental
health, I have decided to banish you to a dark smelly place. Morbid
curiosity gets the best of me sometimes, and I will be checking in on you
from time to time.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

Does this mean you consider Eisboch a 'good guy' again? Or are you just
using the support he provided Harry?

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

"John H." wrote in message
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That's not to say Eisboch is wrong or a bad guy for what he's doing. Hell,
if he gets a lot of enjoyment in his discussions with Harry, then he
should
go for it!


John, this newsgroup used to be a lot of fun to participate in, sharing
boating experiences and knowledge, along with OT subjects of common interest
and, most of all to me, the humor. For those reasons, I enjoyed it,
including even some of the disagreements and debates with Harry over the
years.

But, it has changed. And the change isn't good. The "digs" used to be
light-hearted and humorous.
They have become viscous and uncontrolled, void of any mature consideration
for the recipient.

I'll tell you, I've enjoyed it for the past 13 years, but as I approach my
59th birthday and I observe the changes, I am starting to ask myself, why?
I really don't want to rush the degenerative process of age by starting to
act like a 12 year old prematurely.

So, I'll stick it out for a bit longer, hoping the humor and light hearted
banter, respect and courtesies demonstrated by some prevails along with
boating stories and even some politics
..
If not, it's adios time before I get totally sucked in.

BTW, wealth isn't all about money.

Eisboch

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:16*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

Behave as you wish to be treated, or stop whining. Easy choice. You don't
see me whining.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

Have it your way Dick.. I get your point...

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

On Aug 12, 3:32*pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
....

On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to
me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

-----------------------------

I reject the "kisses up to", *but I think I know why maybe I can have a
disagreement with Harry without the name calling.

It's because I attempt not to do it myself.

Keeping personal insults out of a discussion doesn't weaken your position or
POV.

Harry seeks you approval and he wouldn't dare be uncivil to you. If
Harry was uncivil to you he may suffer being cast aside by the only
person left that accepts him and his behavior in his eyes.

Like I've said before you, generally speaking, are known for the friends
or company you keep and if you claim Harry as a friend or keep him in
your company your character is questionable or you want a punk around to
make you look good.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

a "Real" man smells like...........
 

wrote in message
...
On Aug 12, 3:16 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

Behave as you wish to be treated, or stop whining. Easy choice. You
don't
see me whining.

http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

Have it your way Dick.. I get your point...

Smile. It's humor.

Eisboch