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Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.


I am not a 5th grader taking "sides" John.

I think there's a big difference between having disagreements about
politics, boats, guitars, wine, collard green receipes or whatever and being
able to discuss, even debate the subjects without resorting to name
calling/insults ..... and the tit for tat personal insults that are
constantly being hurled back and forth here.

I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.


I can and do discuss politics these days in a civil manner with anyone
here who can do so in a civil manner. That would include you, JimH,
sometimes SW Tom and others. Our politics are different, but that
doesn't prevent civil discussion.

I typically do not discuss politics with the blooming idiots who post
here. That group includes Herring, Florida Jim, DK, BAR, and a few others.

I think Herring misses the good old days, when he had some rank in the
military and those with lesser rank had to proffer a bit of respect,
even when they were laughing their asses off behind his back. I rarely
have seen a guy so full of hate for women, for blacks, for Hispanics,
and for those whose politics are different from his.

I don't hate Herring, by the way. I simply don't think his opinions on
much of anything are worth considering.






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and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion,
regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts
to weaken or undermine that right."

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wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to
me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

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I reject the "kisses up to", but I think I know why maybe I can have a
disagreement with Harry without the name calling.

It's because I attempt not to do it myself.

Keeping personal insults out of a discussion doesn't weaken your position or
POV.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:47:49 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:
I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...
Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch


Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.


I have to disagree. Eisboch has never encouraged Harry's manic
narcissistic behavior. He has on occasion told Harry he thought Harry's
behavior was counterproductive to having a good boating group, but
whatever Eisboch does it will not change Harry's behavior. There have
been 100's of people who have chastised Harry, he just doesn't care. He
holds SWF and Eisboch as his "righteous rightees" because he is
desperate for a friend, but what they do will NEVER impact Harry. When
Chuck told Harry what he really thought of him, it did not change
Harry's behavior at all. All it did was give Harry one more person to
insult.

If you really want to know what would change Harry's behavior is if all
of us ignored him. Will that ever happen? I doubt it. Harry is too
easy of a target. Someone who is so insecure that he spends all of his
time making up a fictitious life, and then getting his panties in a wad
when he forgets all of his stories. As someone who has enjoyed this
verbal joust with Harry, I have enjoy the game, but if I left, and I
have off and on many times, Harry would not change at all. What you see
is what you get. A very insecure old man.

Then we disagree.

I believe Eisboch's continued discourse with Harry provides Harry a
participant who is ambiguous about Harry's behavior. You are correct that
Harry considers Eisboch the 'top of the heap', probably because of his
wealth. Discourse with Eisboch therefore shows Harry in the 'best' of
lights, and provides reinforcement for his other behavior.

That's not to say Eisboch is wrong or a bad guy for what he's doing. Hell,
if he gets a lot of enjoyment in his discussions with Harry, then he should
go for it!

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On Aug 12, 3:10*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 12, 2:54 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

. ..

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.
You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.
But, that's your choice.
I am not a 5th grader taking "sides" *John.

I think there's a big difference between having disagreements about
politics, boats, guitars, wine, collard green receipes or whatever and being
able to discuss, even debate the subjects without resorting to name
calling/insults ..... and the tit for tat personal insults that are
constantly being hurled back and forth here.

I try *(not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to me,
even if we disagree 100%. * Even Harry.

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.

Behave as you wish to be treated, or stop whining. Easy choice. You
don't see me whining.

--


Not for another couple of days anyway.... 5 days till independence
day, yay beer!

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On Aug 12, 2:57*pm, hk wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 12, 2:31 pm, wrote:
On Aug 12, 2:13 pm, JimH wrote:

On Aug 12, 12:39 pm, wrote:
On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:42 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 11:18 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 9:39 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Yeah, you and harry are buds.. next shall we expect you to call our
wives fat and chubby.. Mabey you could get a little vulgar about it
too, maybe post some pics that are disrespectful to your wife and
neighbors?? pffffttt........
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No need for those comments. Show me once in the last 12-13 years that I
have *ever* said anything derogatory or disrespectful to anyone's wife or
family. You can't. So there.
But, a bunch of grown up guys discussing how pretty they smell *is* kinda
funny.
Eisboch
I shouldn't have said it. But frivolously joining wafa in the pain and
anguish he brings to so many good, honest, hard working folks here is
never funny.
5 days till Independence day, yay beer!
I enjoy reading most of your posts. * I even enjoy reading some of Harry's.
May I offer a suggestion ....?
Don't take this stuff so seriously. * *It can actually be pretty funny.
Like old farts worrying about how pretty they smell.
Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
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I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...
Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should
Really?
Just a couple of your classic's:
"By the way, are ALL of your kids prostituting? Are you still
pimping?"
I never said that you liar.

"So, how'd your wife get so greedy that she made you sell your boat,
asshole?"-
Fighting fire with fire, liar. Do you remember all of the nasty untrue
things you said about my wife and school aged children, low life?
Just a couple of your classics:
"So when did you stop beating your wife and kids?"
"Do you give your kids pot?"
"Still smoking pot with your kids"

Pssstt..............Booger...........

I did not make the statement "My family members are stand up sort of
people, and they wouldn't let me get away with acting like Harry
without saying something in a heartbeat, as well they
should"............*YOU* did.

Now, *answer my questions you posted.

Here's a better one: to my knowledge no one here knows or admits knowing
Loogy's "wife and school-aged children." I've never seen their names
mentioned, nor am I interested in learning their names. Unless Loogy is
Loogy's real name, any insults Loogy perceives as aimed at his family
are, in reality, aimed at...unknown people.

Oh, I see, so in your idiotic brain, I can say anything I want about
you, your kids, and your wife, and it wouldn't bother you a bit, "hk"?

And "JimH" shouldn't get upset when someone says crappy, untrue vile
things about his wife and kids?

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"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:

You have the luxury of being one of the two here wafa kisses up to..
the rest of us I guess just have to hold our noses.


Behave as you wish to be treated, or stop whining. Easy choice. You don't
see me whining.



http://www.eisboch.com/whine.jpg

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:54:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .


You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.


I am not a 5th grader taking "sides" John.

I think there's a big difference between having disagreements about
politics, boats, guitars, wine, collard green receipes or whatever and being
able to discuss, even debate the subjects without resorting to name
calling/insults ..... and the tit for tat personal insults that are
constantly being hurled back and forth here.

I try (not always successful) to subscribe to that rule and I have no
problem conversing with anyone who displays the same level of respect to me,
even if we disagree 100%. Even Harry.

Those that argue that politics and guitars don't belong in a boating
newsgroup have a legitimate point, but I'd argue that the pure "Usenet" of
old has evolved with increased bandwidth. The practice of strickly adhering
to OT posts was originally due to limited speed and bandwidth. So, I am
among those that do not have a problem with someOT posts, particularly when
the subject is of interest to others in the group, and as long as the
original purpose of the newsgroup remains the primary subject.

My post was merely to point out that the origins of the name calling has
been long forgotten, but the insults continue from both "sides" as a matter
of ...... what? That's the point.

Eisboch



No problem.

I think you're a real nice guy. But, I think you provide Harry with a
positive charge. He then applies this to his other behavior, i.e., "...it
must be OK cause Eisboch still talks to me."

I have no problem with decent discourse on any subject. The key word is
'decent'. Accusing folks of mutual masturbation, calling them dumb ****s,
assholes, dickless, meat beaters, and any of the other names HK thinks are
cute does not, in my book, qualify as decent.

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wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 1:49 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:



I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...

Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch
It was one of the Harryclones (Don) calling Reggie a primadonna.

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Duh.... I don't think Richard meant this week..............

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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 2:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:

I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...

Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

----------------------------------

Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch

Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.

What is this, some sort of *us* against *them* NG? Grow up John.

Actually Jim H, it seems to be going in that direction. The group seems to
be getting more polarized day by day. And! I'd be really surprised if John
would follow advise given by a dirtbag like you.
It's depressing to be in a confrontational mode constantly. So for my mental
health, I have decided to banish you to a dark smelly place. Morbid
curiosity gets the best of me sometimes, and I will be checking in on you
from time to time.