Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch

Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.

She's seen you drive!



Worse, she probably doesn't want to be sleeping in that small a space
with one of the Seven Pustules.

On Jul 30, 4:34*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. *I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when *I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of *course it does.

You are the master.

My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. *We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. * I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. *If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). * It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. *The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. * But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Darn shame they went and beefed up the Tundra. *The version up to a year or
so ago was perfect for urban warriors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I crack up at these monster class 150's Most folks who drive
them will never see off road unless they run over the roses on the way
out of the driveway.. I must admit, I beat on my 4x4.. Hell, when I
had my Jeep, I painted it twice in three years just because of the
woods wear

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:33:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.

My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch


Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.

She's seen you drive!


She thinks I'm a good driver! Unless you're talking golf. I had an
atrocious slice all day today. Only one decent drive in all eighteen holes.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:36:22 -0400, hk wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch

Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.

She's seen you drive!



Worse, she probably doesn't want to be sleeping in that small a space
with one of the Seven Pustules.

That pustule problem must be driving you crazy. Get some help. Any
dermatologist could probably help you out.

Is this what your problem looks like?

http://tinyurl.com/5hqyds

You know, you were quite overweight last time I saw you. The size of your
fingers indicates you've not lost much. I'll bet if you went on a diet, did
some exercise, quit putting so many hours on that boat, and dropped a
couple inches in girth, you'd find the pustule problem go away.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

It has absolutely nothing to do with the engine. It has everything to do
with the suspension, brakes, and rear end ratio. The F-150 is a light
duty
truck. I don't know what the 29' boat weighs, but I suspect it is at
least
5000 lbs ..... probably more when engine, gas and gear are factored in.
The F 150, although maybe "rated" by Ford to be adequate ... isn't, IMO,
for
any long distance, hauling of a boat that size.

Thank you.

My 1999 Expedition, which is an F150 with full body, sucked as a tow
vehicle. My boat and trailer scale about 4500# and the Exp, got even worse
mileage towing than the bad mileage it normally got. The 5.4L Triton, was a
dog!!! of an engine. Brakes were good I admit.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.

My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car mag
I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city / highway.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car mag
I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city / highway.



But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

"hk" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.

But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.

D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news "Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.




Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?

"hk" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news "Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.


Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite well
to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so hateful.
There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.