"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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What *I* stated was that the U.S. car makers were poorly managed, with
overpaid white collar mid and upper management. Many large U.S.
corporations grossly overcompensate "management." There have been plenty
of news stories about the tens of millions of dollars paid to top execs
at the same time the companies they run are failing.



Why were they poorly managed if, in the case of GM, they had record
corporate profits and paid regular, consistent dividends to the
shareholders for most of the past ten years? Plus met all the
contractual obligations to current and retired employees?

Take care of the business ..... the business will take care of you.
It's how it works, and there's nothing wrong with big paychecks for those
with the most responsibility.

Eisboch


Now *that* is funny. Take care of business and business will take care of
you. I'm sure that song plays well to the millions of American workers who
have lost their jobs because of crappy management, and the millions who
have also lost health care benefits, pension benefits, and much more,
despite giving all they had to "the business," and of course, let's not
forget the millions of American workers who have lost long-held jobs
because corporate management determined it would be "cheaper" to build or
service their product in China, India, or wherever.

Take care of the business for which you work, and, if it gets the chance,
the business for which you work will eliminate your job, your health care,
your pension. Or it will simply underfund its pension liabilities.

Sorry, but I don't believe that "shareholder equity" is any more valuable
than "worker equity." What many corporations in this country seem to do
best is to discard workers like used paper towels.

Note I said many...I did not say all.


Oh...and there is something wrong, very wrong, with the huge disparity at
many corporations between average pay and "executive" compensation.

Well ****e for brains, you can do your part to help the poor American worker
by buying American made goods.

Eisboch wrote:


It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most about
fat compensation packages are those not earning them.


You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:


It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.


You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?


At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated package,
approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.

You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?


At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated package,
approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch




I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I
get paid, not usenet newsgroups.

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.

You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?


At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch


I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I get
paid, not usenet newsgroups.

You get fired up over producing union flyers and handouts?
Richard's right. You are a barrel of laughs.

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.

You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?


At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch


I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I get
paid, not usenet newsgroups.


You know what's great about this country ... and a few other free
democracies?

Freedom.

If one is inspired to become rich ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to become famous .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to take risks ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to minimize risks .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to devote their lives to helping the truly oppressed ....
he/she can.

The threat to freedom is those who feel they have a duty and obligation to
impose *their* way and *their* rules on everybody.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.
You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?

At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch

I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I get
paid, not usenet newsgroups.


You know what's great about this country ... and a few other free
democracies?

Freedom.

If one is inspired to become rich ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to become famous .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to take risks ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to minimize risks .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to devote their lives to helping the truly oppressed ....
he/she can.

The threat to freedom is those who feel they have a duty and obligation to
impose *their* way and *their* rules on everybody.

Eisboch



So you *will* be changing political party affiliation, eh? There is no
greater threat to freedom in this country than the actions and policies
of the Bush Administration and those who support them.

On Jul 29, 8:31*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:24:25 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:22:27 -0500, SSmokin wrote:

I have a 2002 Ford F-150. *5.4, 4x4 Extended Cab. *I’m looking at a
29’ Cheetah offshore (CX-29). *I know that the truck can pull the boat
from point A to point B, but what about "out of the water, on a steep
ramp"? *Any thoughts? *

In my opinion, no.

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. *I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when *I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of *course it does.

You are the master.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, you know it! Harry is so much better than anyone else, his truck
will defy the laws of physics for him!!

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.
You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about
it?

At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch

I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I
get paid, not usenet newsgroups.


You know what's great about this country ... and a few other free
democracies?

Freedom.

If one is inspired to become rich ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to become famous .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to take risks ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to minimize risks .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to devote their lives to helping the truly oppressed
.... he/she can.

The threat to freedom is those who feel they have a duty and obligation
to impose *their* way and *their* rules on everybody.

Eisboch

So you *will* be changing political party affiliation, eh? There is no
greater threat to freedom in this country than the actions and policies of
the Bush Administration and those who support them.



When the time comes. I'll vote for whomever I think will best preserve the
basic, fundamental core values and principles on which this country was
formed. I give you this ..... *Both* major political parties seem to have
gotten way off course.

Or maybe I won't vote.

Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.
You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about
it?

At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch

I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I
get paid, not usenet newsgroups.


You know what's great about this country ... and a few other free
democracies?

Freedom.

If one is inspired to become rich ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to become famous .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to take risks ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to minimize risks .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to devote their lives to helping the truly oppressed
.... he/she can.

The threat to freedom is those who feel they have a duty and obligation
to impose *their* way and *their* rules on everybody.

Eisboch

So you *will* be changing political party affiliation, eh? There is no
greater threat to freedom in this country than the actions and policies of
the Bush Administration and those who support them.


What will this pustulated turd brain do after January 20? My guess is he
will shift his focus to the new REPUBLICAN president.