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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow
my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.


Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite
well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so
hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.


You beat me to it.

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.

But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

Local parts store.

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Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?


Couple of comments.

First, US automakers build what people want to buy. Up to a year or so ago
people in the US still wanted mega sized SUV's and heavy duty trucks. Take
a look around. There's a gazillion of 'em still pounding the highway.

Now, because of an extraordinary rise in fuel costs, people aren't buying as
many anymore. GM and Ford have cut back production big time of the big
vehicles and trucks and are focusing on small, fuel efficient autos. Again
.... it's market driven.

The sales slump is unique to the USA. Both GM and Ford are still doing
very well in overseas sales.
They are also diversified companies, with many other revenue generating
divisions. Both still operate credit companies, etc.
Ford and GM aren't in any immediate danger. Earnings may slump for a
while, but they will stay in business.

Not sure about Chrysler though. They are now owned (majority) by a private
investment group. If it doesn't turn around they are likely to pull the
plug, I think.

Eisboch

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:13:30 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite well
to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so hateful.
There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.

Yes, and those are all true blue union shops.

What's wrong with this picture ?

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.

Hmm, let's see, you don't like people that like speed, you don't like
people who go slow, you don't like slow trawlers (while claiming to
own a lobster boat!), you don't like anyone who disagrees with your
ignorant positions on issues....

I think I've nailed it, you are just a bitter old *******.

Who, quoting the old Kingston Trio song, "Doesn't like anybody very
much".

Pathetic.

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Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

I have to disagree, I think that truck is more than enough.



A 29' boat with a F-150?

Are you serious?

Eisboch




F-150 is a HALF TON pickup.....as in 1000 pounds!

Duhh.....(c;

5 mpg for 900 miles? Yecch! It's almost cheaper to scuttle the damned
boat when you're done with it and buy a new one when you get to the next
place you're going to fish! At $4/gallon that's $720 just to get it home!

"Hey, kid! Here's the keys and title to that nice CC over there. It's
yours. We can't afford to tow it home. Take us fishing when we come back
next year, ok?"


The 1/2 ton designation is meaningless.

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:45:40 GMT, John H.
wrote:

You know, you were quite overweight last time I saw you. The size of your
fingers indicates you've not lost much. I'll bet if you went on a diet, did
some exercise, quit putting so many hours on that boat, and dropped a
couple inches in girth, you'd find the pustule problem go away.

Does he waddle when he walks? That would explain a lot.

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely
tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh
in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about
12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from
CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg
than the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger
does everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you
get bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He
said the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne
Meadows. The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and
Driver or what ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this
morning. 20 mpg city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.


Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as
corporate entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual
products in the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9
billion for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on
the US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are
quite well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while
being so hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.

Those are WAFA's union boys at those plants and he's thrilled with their
demise? Maybe WAFA is on new meds.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:10:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.

Hmm, let's see, you don't like people that like speed, you don't like
people who go slow, you don't like slow trawlers (while claiming to
own a lobster boat!), you don't like anyone who disagrees with your
ignorant positions on issues....

I think I've nailed it, you are just a bitter old *******.

Who, quoting the old Kingston Trio song, "Doesn't like anybody very
much".

Pathetic.

One of my favorites.

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow
my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?
The ever present ray of sunshine.

Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite
well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so
hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.


You beat me to it.




The U.S. auto companies are in trouble because their management sucks
and has sucked for years, and they grossly overpay their mid and upper
level white collar workers, as do many American corporations.

I expect the rug will be pulled out from under Chrysler in a year or
two, and perhaps one or more of its brands or product lines sold off to
some other entity. Ford and GM are "multinational" corporations, and the
management there doesn't give a crap whether they make cars in the USA
or not. All three corporations are dumping their blue collar workers in
this country as quickly as they can.