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There was so much noise on this group that it was impossible to see the
signal, or even that there was a signal, i.e. anything on topic. But I
put three authors into my kill file and, voila!, the bandwidth is about
1/10 of what it was. And what's more, the subject lines appear to be
talking about boats, not a slanging match between a group of idiots
calling each morons. (Duh, look in the mirror guys.)

For those concerned, I shouldn't bother responding - you're in the kill
file remember so I won't even see your noise. Marvellous.

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:30:00 +0100, Jonathan Spencer
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There was so much noise on this group that it was impossible to see the
signal, or even that there was a signal, i.e. anything on topic. But I
put three authors into my kill file and, voila!, the bandwidth is about
1/10 of what it was. And what's more, the subject lines appear to be
talking about boats, not a slanging match between a group of idiots
calling each morons. (Duh, look in the mirror guys.)

For those concerned, I shouldn't bother responding - you're in the kill
file remember so I won't even see your noise. Marvellous.


And if those few responding to the three would knock it off, we might have
a pretty good group over here.

But they can't seem to help themselves!

How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?
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John H. wrote:

And if those few responding to the three would knock it off, we might have
a pretty good group over here.

But they can't seem to help themselves!

How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?




There is no chance you and your fellow dwarfs will have a "pretty good
group" here. Most of you dwarfs aren't even boaters.

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John H. wrote:

And if those few responding to the three would knock it off, we might have
a pretty good group over here.
But they can't seem to help themselves!
How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?




There is no chance you and your fellow dwarfs will have a "pretty good
group" here. Most of you dwarfs aren't even boaters.


Aha. That's another one for the kill file. Bye bye.

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How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?


How's life in the UK? Where shall I start, 42 days detention without
charge, prohibition on handguns for something I didn't do, 90 year old
man thrown out of Labour Party conference for shouting "rubbish" in
response to Blair, er, speaking rubbish, paying $9.80/gallon for diesel,
.... no perhaps I'd better not start. :-)

Life's fine, thank you. ;-)

I have two boats. One is an Old Town 15' canoe which I use for fishing
on the local bywaters. I've also got a 16' Shetland Alaska
http://seahog.co.uk/Alaska500.htm with a 50HP Yamaha 2-stroke engine.
This is what we call a day fisher, which I use for fishing in the North
Sea and on the local river, the Tees, which is now barraged. But I
haven't used it for quite some time and there's something wrong with the
engine: after laying up for a year it doesn't seem to be getting hot and
it was cutting out and wouldn't rev up to full throttle. I need to take
a look and work out what's wrong, maybe a sticky thermostat.

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:49:15 +0100, Jonathan Spencer
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In message , John H.
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How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?


How's life in the UK? Where shall I start, 42 days detention without
charge, prohibition on handguns for something I didn't do, 90 year old
man thrown out of Labour Party conference for shouting "rubbish" in
response to Blair, er, speaking rubbish, paying $9.80/gallon for diesel,
... no perhaps I'd better not start. :-)

Life's fine, thank you. ;-)

I have two boats. One is an Old Town 15' canoe which I use for fishing
on the local bywaters. I've also got a 16' Shetland Alaska
http://seahog.co.uk/Alaska500.htm with a 50HP Yamaha 2-stroke engine.
This is what we call a day fisher, which I use for fishing in the North
Sea and on the local river, the Tees, which is now barraged. But I
haven't used it for quite some time and there's something wrong with the
engine: after laying up for a year it doesn't seem to be getting hot and
it was cutting out and wouldn't rev up to full throttle. I need to take
a look and work out what's wrong, maybe a sticky thermostat.


The Tees dumps into a harbor with a golf course on both sides. My kind of
place!

Sorry about the detention. I know how the old man thrown out of the
conference feels. I got thrown out of a place recently for roughly the same
thing. Oh well.

That Alaska appears to be a serious fishing boat. Do you do well in the
North Sea? What kind of fish do you mostly catch?

If you've the time, explain the problem with the engine a little more.
There are some very knowledgeable people here. I'm not one of them. From
what you've said, it does sound like the thermostat. I'd probably replace
it before doing anything else.
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Aha. That's another one for the kill file. Bye bye.

I'da thought he was the first one you killed off. g

Welcome to the quieter group. What type of boat do you have?

--Mike

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John H. wrote:

And if those few responding to the three would knock it off, we might
have
a pretty good group over here.
But they can't seem to help themselves!
How's life in the UK these days? Where do you boat?




There is no chance you and your fellow dwarfs will have a "pretty good
group" here. Most of you dwarfs aren't even boaters.


Aha. That's another one for the kill file. Bye bye.

--
Jonathan

A good reputation is more valuable than money.
Publilius Syrus (~100 BC), Maxims



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The Tees dumps into a harbor with a golf course on both sides. My kind of
place!


It does? All I see is industry north and south. Are we talking about
the same river?

That Alaska appears to be a serious fishing boat. Do you do well in the
North Sea? What kind of fish do you mostly catch?


It handles very nicely, planes at about 15 knots, feels as safe as
houses. If we're not under power, she bobs about in a swell and if I
put my head down (e.g. tying a knot) I feel sick pretty quickly. But
I've been out in a heavy rolling swell (say 15' top to bottom, sea up
above me) and had no cause for concern, she rides it nicely.

If you've the time, explain the problem with the engine a little more.
There are some very knowledgeable people here. I'm not one of them. From
what you've said, it does sound like the thermostat. I'd probably replace
it before doing anything else.


We brought her from Hartlepool Marina to a new berth on the River Tees
via the North Sea in March 2007. It's about 15 miles and the engine
didn't miss a beat. Pretty much full throttle all the way and she used
about 20 litres (that's about 5 US gallons or 4.4 Imperial gallons).
Well, that's presuming the tank was full when we set off, it may not
have been because I don't remember whether it was, but I had a 2nd tank
which was full as backup. Anyway, the engine was fine.

Then the boat was laid up for 12 months, or rather she simply wasn't
used. When we went back after 12 months, she wouldn't start. We had
charged the battery so that wasn't the problem. We went back later that
day armed with fresh petrol (gas), and a blow lamp. We removed the
spark plugs and heated them, pumped fresh fuel to the carbs, and it did
start and tick over nicely. Obviously we couldn't rev it up because we
were tied to a jetty. No sign of any problems, the engine idled for may
10 minutes or so but it didn't seem to get hot. It was pumping water
ok.

About a week later I had the trailer ready and she started after a bit
of persuasion. (It's very easy to flood the engine with too much
choke.) We let it idles for maybe 10 minutes and then untied the warps.
Once out in the river, it was my intention to give her a good thrash up
and down by way of a workout. But the engine would rev up to maybe half
speed, run for a short while (not more than a minute) and then cut out.
Turning the key to crank got it going again but it repeated this several
times. So we made out way to the jetty by the ramp and hauled her onto
the trailer. That's as much as I can say.

The engine, as best I can tell, is a 50D of 50DE (I have a workshop
manual). The engine plate is absent - the rivet shafts are still
present to it hasn't been drilled off (i.e. isn't stolen). It's a
3-cylinder 2-stroke, oil injection, electric start.

Another peculiarity, it won't rev up in reverse.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:33:58 +0100, Jonathan Spencer
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The Tees dumps into a harbor with a golf course on both sides. My kind of
place!


It does? All I see is industry north and south. Are we talking about
the same river?

That Alaska appears to be a serious fishing boat. Do you do well in the
North Sea? What kind of fish do you mostly catch?


It handles very nicely, planes at about 15 knots, feels as safe as
houses. If we're not under power, she bobs about in a swell and if I
put my head down (e.g. tying a knot) I feel sick pretty quickly. But
I've been out in a heavy rolling swell (say 15' top to bottom, sea up
above me) and had no cause for concern, she rides it nicely.

If you've the time, explain the problem with the engine a little more.
There are some very knowledgeable people here. I'm not one of them. From
what you've said, it does sound like the thermostat. I'd probably replace
it before doing anything else.


We brought her from Hartlepool Marina to a new berth on the River Tees
via the North Sea in March 2007. It's about 15 miles and the engine
didn't miss a beat. Pretty much full throttle all the way and she used
about 20 litres (that's about 5 US gallons or 4.4 Imperial gallons).
Well, that's presuming the tank was full when we set off, it may not
have been because I don't remember whether it was, but I had a 2nd tank
which was full as backup. Anyway, the engine was fine.

Then the boat was laid up for 12 months, or rather she simply wasn't
used. When we went back after 12 months, she wouldn't start. We had
charged the battery so that wasn't the problem. We went back later that
day armed with fresh petrol (gas), and a blow lamp. We removed the
spark plugs and heated them, pumped fresh fuel to the carbs, and it did
start and tick over nicely. Obviously we couldn't rev it up because we
were tied to a jetty. No sign of any problems, the engine idled for may
10 minutes or so but it didn't seem to get hot. It was pumping water
ok.

About a week later I had the trailer ready and she started after a bit
of persuasion. (It's very easy to flood the engine with too much
choke.) We let it idles for maybe 10 minutes and then untied the warps.
Once out in the river, it was my intention to give her a good thrash up
and down by way of a workout. But the engine would rev up to maybe half
speed, run for a short while (not more than a minute) and then cut out.
Turning the key to crank got it going again but it repeated this several
times. So we made out way to the jetty by the ramp and hauled her onto
the trailer. That's as much as I can say.

The engine, as best I can tell, is a 50D of 50DE (I have a workshop
manual). The engine plate is absent - the rivet shafts are still
present to it hasn't been drilled off (i.e. isn't stolen). It's a
3-cylinder 2-stroke, oil injection, electric start.

Another peculiarity, it won't rev up in reverse.


Well, I was probably looking at the wrong place. Here's where I saw the
golf courses: http://tinyurl.com/58mwdz

It sounds like you may have more problems than a sticking thermostat.
Sounds like carburetor problems also. Hopefully one of the mechanic types
will jump in here to help out.

What brand engine was it again? I could go back through all the messages,
but I'm quite lazy.


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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:33:58 +0100, Jonathan Spencer
wrote:

In message , John H.
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The Tees dumps into a harbor with a golf course on both sides. My kind of
place!


It does? All I see is industry north and south. Are we talking about
the same river?


Well, I was probably looking at the wrong place. Here's where I saw the
golf courses: http://tinyurl.com/58mwdz


Goodness me, golf courses. Salt marshes. The area north & south of the
river, with all those roads, are former/current chemical works and steel
furnaces. Google Earth shows what the place is really like.

[snip]

It sounds like you may have more problems than a sticking thermostat.
Sounds like carburetor problems also. Hopefully one of the mechanic types
will jump in here to help out.


Quite possibly a fuel feed problem. I need to look at it again.

What brand engine was it again? I could go back through all the messages,
but I'm quite lazy.


Yamaha.

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