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HK January 20th 08 03:56 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
wrote:
On Jan 20, 10:31 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:59 am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay
use
heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow
troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard
baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't
unusual
to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I
guess, of
snagging a fish.
All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that
hard, at
least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in
most of
the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger
fish just don't taste very good.
Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have
some
light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a
bluefish
or a striper.
If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or
offshore
wrecks down there.
Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation.
I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys
out with a
rod & reel when they were young. Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to
enjoy
fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I
insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first.
Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat.
Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp
first.
Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him
at the border upon his return.
As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of
guys down here who do it.- Hide quoted text -
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That's got to be almost as boring as flounder fishing...
Especially flounder fishing in Lake Lanier.

Harry,
Actually we don't have flounder in Lake Lanier, but we do have some very
hard fighting stripers.- Hide quoted text -

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And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with
trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc.



No boat needed...just walk along the wide shoreline and pick them up out
of the mud, eh?

Vic Smith January 20th 08 04:00 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!


That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic

HK January 20th 08 04:02 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or
offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person.
"The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to
survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have
repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.

"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now,
that's a surprise. :-)

One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving
the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.



You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?




Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.

It's funny that no matter what I post, Reggieturd tries to find
something "contrary." I guess that's about all he can do. :-)

--
George W. Bush - the countdown has begun!

HK January 20th 08 04:04 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:
Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!


That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic



It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish
without oil or, even worse, crisco.

Vic Smith January 20th 08 04:06 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:30:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:28:43 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:



Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.


They are a white bass/striper hybrid and generally grow up to double
the size of a good crappie - generally in the 1/2 to 3/4 pound range.
Very durable fish and when younger, prolific breeders which makes them
also a feed stock for other types of game fish.

Probably the ones I fished for were stunted. The lakes I grew up
fishing went to hell with speedboats - the reason I quit fishing up
here.

Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.


Those are salt water transplants and are genetically identical to salt
water stripers. Depending on the size of the impoundment, they can
get as big as salt water stripers given proper forage and cool water.

Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.


Well, you aren't now. :)


What?

--Vic

JoeSpareBedroom January 20th 08 04:10 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the
nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a
struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so
you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.

"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now,
that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving
the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.



You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?



Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.



Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the
length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and
played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be
all it's cracked up to be.



Vic Smith January 20th 08 04:13 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:



They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For
reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New
England salt waters.


Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.

--Vic

HK January 20th 08 04:14 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the
nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a
struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so
you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.
"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now,
that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving
the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.

You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?


Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.



Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the
length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and
played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be
all it's cracked up to be.



Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it
up? Stay tuned.

Vic Smith January 20th 08 04:15 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:



They're ok to catch, but not real fighters, especially around Chesapeake
Bay, where most of the fishermen I see use heavy tackle. If you are in
it to catch fighters, you want bluefish or crevalle jacks. A blue or
jack one fourth the size of a rockfish will put up a tremendous fight.


Ran into a mess of amber jacks once on a charter in the gulf.
They were tough for their size, and tired us out.
Don't think we ate them, as we got some grouper too.

--Vic


JoeSpareBedroom January 20th 08 04:18 PM

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
message ...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the
nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a
struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just
so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.
"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!"
Now, that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid,
giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.

You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?

Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.



Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the
length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water
and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may
not be all it's cracked up to be.


Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it
up? Stay tuned.



This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I
mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't that
interesting?




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