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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

Most of us aren't messing with clients, but friends. A fishing trip is
successful anytime. It's even *more* successful if the folks catch their
limit of fish.
--
Red Herring

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:00:44 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect.

Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers.

As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle
shifters.

You know - like take the boat out of gear?


The boys down here troll huge umbrella rigs, Tom. They're very heavy.
Fifty pound line is probably on the light size for some of the umbrella
rigs I have seen. They don't stop because if they do, the umbrella rigs
sink to the bottom and snag or foul each other.

It's a lousy way to fish. The damned rigs weigh so much and have so much
water resistance when you tug them aboard, it's like hauling in dead
weight, even when you have a fish.

Some of the guys also tow planer boards or use siderigger poles. All
this for a fish whose fighting abilities in the Bay are mediocre at best
and whose taste is...nothing special. If you want fun catching a Bay
striper, you want light tackle and no more than 14# line or even better,
you want to use maybe an 8 weight flyrod to pitch a fly on sinking line
into a pod of baitfish.

I find striper fishing around here really boring, and rarely go after
them. There's a bit of structure here and there in the Bay, and there
are hard bottoms on the other side; that's where I go.

Harry, I've not used an umbrella rig for ages. In fact, except for the big
charter boats, most folks *don't* use a bunch of umbrella rigs.
--
Red Herring

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:46:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:59:03 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the
entertainment
value... :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have
not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing..
;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go
out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the
plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very
large.- Hide quoted text -

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of
striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this
summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior.
Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8
foot fly rod - whoo hoo!!

They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.


Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the
anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San
Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west
fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going
crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers.
Lots of times they would be at your feet.

We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick
is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then
start throwing jigs. Lots of fun.

I usually run ahead of the school drift rather than at it. Every
moron runs at it - the smart way to do it is to get ahead of them.

Scott caught that monster blue fish using exactly that technique.

That works well if you can tell what direction they're headed. Some of us
are simply too moronic to do so.
--
Red Herring

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use
heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow
troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard
baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual
to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of
snagging a fish.

All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at
least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of
the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger
fish just don't taste very good.

Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some
light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish
or a striper.

If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore
wrecks down there.



Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation.
I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a
rod & reel when they were young. Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy
fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I
insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first.
Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat.
Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first.




Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him
at the border upon his return.

As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of
guys down here who do it.

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On Jan 20, 9:59*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use
heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow
troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard
baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual
to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of
snagging a fish.

All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at
least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of
the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger
fish just don't taste very good.

Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some
light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish
or a striper.

If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore
wrecks down there.

Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation.
I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a
rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy
fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I
insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first.
Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat.
Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first.

More political cut and paste from Harry..
 

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:42 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:50:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Red Herring wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the
entertainment
value... :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have
not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing..
;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go
out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the
plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."
Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......
I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very
large.- Hide quoted text -
I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of
striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this
summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior.
Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8
foot fly rod - whoo hoo!!

They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.

Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the
anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San
Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west
fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going
crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers.
Lots of times they would be at your feet.

We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick
is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then
start throwing jigs. Lots of fun.

Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a
large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight.

A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay.

Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy,
50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the
boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed,
depth, etc.

You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect.

Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers.

As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle
shifters.

You know - like take the boat out of gear?

When trolling, gear that heavy *is* used. I use a braided line, 80lb,
mounted on Penn 330GTi reels which are mounted on Penn Senator rods. That's
not the best money can buy, but it works for me. Overkill? Maybe, but I'm
not going to lose fish because the line, rod, or reel broke.

If I have six lines out and a fish on, I *could* stop the boat. At that
time, the striper on line has his opportunity to tangle itself in the other
five lines, if the lines are not already caught on something on the bottom.
Most of the striper trolling is done in 30-40 feet of water.

So, with a return of your due respect, us morons are not always wrong.

What ever floats your boat.

Obviously, you aren't into finesse. :)

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:05:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 20, 9:59*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use
heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow
troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard
baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual
to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of
snagging a fish.

All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at
least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of
the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger
fish just don't taste very good.

Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some
light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish
or a striper.

If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore
wrecks down there.

Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation.
I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a
rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy
fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I
insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first.
Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat.
Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first.

Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him
at the border upon his return.

As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of
guys down here who do it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's got to be almost as boring as flounder fishing...

It can be, until three rods go down and there's only two people on board!
--
Red Herring

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:05:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:42 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:50:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Red Herring wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the
entertainment
value... :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have
not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing..
;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go
out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the
plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."
Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......
I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very
large.- Hide quoted text -
I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of
striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this
summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior.
Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8
foot fly rod - whoo hoo!!

They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.

Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the
anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San
Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west
fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going
crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers.
Lots of times they would be at your feet.

We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick
is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then
start throwing jigs. Lots of fun.

Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a
large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight.

A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay.

Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy,
50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the
boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed,
depth, etc.

You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect.

Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers.

As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle
shifters.

You know - like take the boat out of gear?

When trolling, gear that heavy *is* used. I use a braided line, 80lb,
mounted on Penn 330GTi reels which are mounted on Penn Senator rods. That's
not the best money can buy, but it works for me. Overkill? Maybe, but I'm
not going to lose fish because the line, rod, or reel broke.

If I have six lines out and a fish on, I *could* stop the boat. At that
time, the striper on line has his opportunity to tangle itself in the other
five lines, if the lines are not already caught on something on the bottom.
Most of the striper trolling is done in 30-40 feet of water.

So, with a return of your due respect, us morons are not always wrong.

What ever floats your boat.

Obviously, you aren't into finesse. :)

And I'm not into untangling lines and fish either...!
--
Red Herring

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:55:55 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:


That works well if you can tell what direction they're headed. Some of us
are simply too moronic to do so.

Glad you finally admit it. :)

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