Will the Dow Slide Below 12000 this month...or next?
 

January 17, 2008
Dow Plunges More Than 300 Points on Grim Outlook
By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
NYT

The year is not starting off well on Wall Street.

Stocks plunged on Thursday as investors confronted new indications of
the depth of subprime losses and housing woes. The Dow Jones industrial
average lost more than 300 points, bringing its decline to 15 percent
since its peak in October.

Since Jan. 1 alone, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, a broad
measure of the financial markets, is down more than 9 percent. And the
Russell 2000 index, which tracks small companies, is now officially in a
bear market, 20 percent below its peak.

A dismal report on manufacturing activity caught investors by surprise
on Thursday morning, sending the main indexes into the red after an
early stint in positive territory.

The report, from the Federal Reserve, found that Philadelphia-area
manufacturers had contracted much more than expected in a January
survey, reaching a six-year low. A similar drop in the index occurred in
early 2001, just before the onset of the last recession.

“Basically every day now, you have more and more investors leaning
toward the camp that yes, this is going to be a recession, and it could
be a severe one,” said David Kovacs, a quantitative investment
strategist at Turner Investment Partners in Berwyn, Pa.

The distress in the financial markets manifested itself on many fronts.
Shares of MBIA and Ambac, two bond guarantors that have big exposures to
faltering mortgage securities, tumbled Thursday after credit ratings
firms said they would re-examine the companies financial health weeks
after affirming the firms’ ratings. Ambac fell 52 percent, and MBIA
closed down 31 percent.

The Dow industrials ended the day at 12,159.21, down 306.95, or 2.5
percent. The S.& P. 500 shed 2.9 percent, and the technology-heavy
Nasdaq composite was off 2 percent.

In testimony in Washington on Thursday, Ben S. Bernanke, the Fed
chairman, reiterated recent warnings about an imminent drop-off in
consumer spending. Mr. Bernanke also hinted that the Fed would lower
interest rates, perhaps by half a point, at its meeting later this
month, saying that the central bank would “stand ready to take
substantive additional action as needed to support growth.”

Investors usually react favorably to evidence of a rate cut, but they
appeared unimpressed by Mr. Bernanke’s promise to support a fiscal
stimulus package to prop up the ailing economy.

“By the time they actually pass anything, it will be past the time we
need it,” said James Paulsen, a strategist at Wells Capital Management,
who echoed some of the skepticism on Wall Street about the plan.

Other analysts said the chairman was leaning on the government in lieu
of aggressively cutting rates. “The market is frustrated with Bernanke,”
Mr. Kovacs said. “Bernanke said it would be nice to have an economic
stimulus package to help him with his fight. You didn’t see Greenspan
asking for help.”

Regardless of where that help comes from, investors agree that the
economy could use a shot of adrenaline. Anxieties were stoked again on
Thursday by the release of yet another round of bad data on the housing
industry. Groundbreakings for new homes fell last month to their slowest
pace in 16 years, the government said, and economists expect the market
to soften well into the middle of this year.

Meanwhile, traders were reminded that the fallout from last year’s
subprime collapse is still spreading. Merrill Lynch, which ousted its
chief executive in the wake of substantial losses from the troubled
mortgage market, reported a $9.8 billion loss for the fourth quarter,
the worst performance in company history.

The news came on the back of similar write-downs at Citigroup, which was
also badly hurt by bad bets on soured mortgage-backed securities.
Investors are worried that Wall Street write-downs will make banks less
willing to lend, a trend that would cut off a primary source of
lifeblood for the economy.

“It’s compounding investors’ fears about how widespread the losses
really are,” said Hayes Miller, an analyst at Baring Asset Management in
Boston.

Still, some analysts said that jaded investors may have been unfazed by
Merrill’s loss, which reiterated much of what market watchers already
know about problems at the big Wall Street banks. The poor housing
report may have been met by a similarly sleepy reaction, analysts said,
who noted that too much bad news can sometimes leave investors numb.

Crude oil slipped 71 cents, settling at $90.13 a barrel, in trading on
the New York Mercantile Exchange. The yield on the 10-year Treasury
note, which moves opposite to its price, ticked down slightly.

The euro was up slightly against the dollar, and the price of gold fell
after several days of gains.

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It's the economy, stupid.

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enough already, we get it, you don't like republicans...

Will the Dow Slide Below 12000 this month...or next?
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

Crude oil slipped 71 cents, settling at $90.13 a barrel, in trading on the
New York Mercantile Exchange. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note,
which moves opposite to its price, ticked down slightly.


At least some of the so-called "investors" are helping oil prices drop.

Will the Dow Slide Below 12000 this month...or next?
 

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:58:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

At least some of the so-called "investors" are helping oil prices drop.

Buy on the dips, no more oil is being made.

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No news here, only fairy stories by paid hacks...

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:19:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No news here, only fairy stories by paid hacks...

Careful, the Bozo has more room in his 'bin'.
--
Red Herring

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On Jan 18, 7:34*am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:19:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No news here, only fairy stories by paid hacks...

Careful, the Bozo has more room in his 'bin'.
--
Red Herring

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....

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On Jan 18, 8:56*am, wrote:
On Jan 18, 7:34*am, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:19:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No news here, only fairy stories by paid hacks...

Careful, the Bozo has more room in his 'bin'.
--
Red Herring

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....

Some of us are not in there because we refuse to take the bozomaster
seriously...

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Careful, the Bozo has more room in his 'bin'.

I'd put Harry in my bozo bin but I'm afraid it might create some sort
of cataclysmic "big bang" event somewhere in the universe. Even a
black hole can only hold just so much.

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....

Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

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JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.


If being nice to someone means kissing their ass.............then I guess I
am an asskisser.....certainly better than being a basskisser and booger
eater.



JimH,
It is funny that you continue to attack most people in here, except for
Harry and Don, the two people that you used to spend all your time
attacking.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....

Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling boats.

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Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling boats.


I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV
would be appropriate.

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HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.

I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV
would be appropriate.

That is so typical of you, you want everyone else to pay for your social
programs. As long as someone else pays for them, the more the merrier.

I think a $20 a gallon surtax on all boats in the Cheseapeake Bay, that
use more than 6 gph woiuld be appropriate.

Harry, you do realize that Wayne's boat is substantially more "Green"
than you little jon boat.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.
I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV would
be appropriate.

We have a program up here with vehicles....if you buy an inefficient gas
guzzler, you pay a special fee or tax... if you buy a fuel efficient vehicle
you get a rebate from one to two K.
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.
I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.
I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV would
be appropriate.

We have a program up here with vehicles....if you buy an inefficient gas
guzzler, you pay a special fee or tax... if you buy a fuel efficient vehicle
you get a rebate from one to two K.
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.




I thought it was SW Tom who was the licensed charter captain. Wayne just
takes out the garbage when Mrs. Wayne unleashes him. :}

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

Why not - I do. :)

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.
I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV would
be appropriate.

We have a program up here with vehicles....if you buy an inefficient gas
guzzler, you pay a special fee or tax... if you buy a fuel efficient vehicle
you get a rebate from one to two K.
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.


Word of the Day:

SYCOPHANT

Main Entry:
sy·co·phant Listen to the pronunciation of sycophant
Pronunciation:
\-f?nt also -?fant\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin sycophanta slanderer, swindler, from Greek sykophante-s
slanderer, from sykon fig + phainein to show — more at fancy
Date:
1575

: a servile self-seeking flatterer
--
Red Herring

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"Red Herring" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.
I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV
would
be appropriate.

We have a program up here with vehicles....if you buy an inefficient gas
guzzler, you pay a special fee or tax... if you buy a fuel efficient
vehicle
you get a rebate from one to two K.
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so
I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.


Word of the Day:

SYCOPHANT

Main Entry:
sy·co·phant Listen to the pronunciation of sycophant
Pronunciation:
\-f?nt also -?fant\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin sycophanta slanderer, swindler, from Greek sykophante-s
slanderer, from sykon fig + phainein to show - more at fancy
Date:
1575

: a servile self-seeking flatterer
--
Red Herring

You've got a lot of nerve Johnny Boy.
Since Chuck tired of your foolishness, you've been so far up Snivellers butt
he can see you when he brushes his teeth.
Have some honour man... after all, you claim to have been a leader in your
army days.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

Why not - I do. :)

Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... :}

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On Jan 18, 12:04*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

Why not - I do. *:)

No you don't...

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On Jan 18, 1:02*pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

Why not - I do. *:)

Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}

No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)

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On Jan 18, 5:21*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. *:)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}

No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)

Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Yeah, got a helmet. preferably with a face shield. I am dead balls
accurate with a treble hook... Might take you up on that, keep telling
my kid I will visit in DC. She has a little place right between piney
park and the zoo society.

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On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. *:)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Yeah, got a helmet. preferably with a face shield. I am dead balls
accurate with a treble hook... Might take you up on that, keep telling
my kid I will visit in DC. She has a little place right between piney
park and the zoo society.

No treble hooks allowed. I use mostly small gauge circle hooks and small
jigs and light tackle. Don't bring any; I got tons of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What, no lazers? No projectile retreival systems? No BOOM! ? Can't
go fishin' if there's no boom;)

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More political cut and paste from Harry..
 

HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.

I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.

I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV
would be appropriate.

So that would finally make the "lobster boat" a fantasy conceived by
your narcissistic mind.

I can't believe it took this long for you to admit you are a liar and
close that subject.

Get well soon, Harry!

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Don White wrote:
"Red Herring" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are you sure? Seems like everybody but those who kiss his ass are in
there. That would be JimH, and hmm, I don't know who else wouldn't be
in there.....
Don't forget our resident Canuckastani terrorist.
I'd be careful with that kind of talk during snowbird season.
There just might be enough to take over & banish large fuel guzzling
boats.
I think a $10 a gallon diesel surtax on boats the size of Wayne's RV
would
be appropriate.
We have a program up here with vehicles....if you buy an inefficient gas
guzzler, you pay a special fee or tax... if you buy a fuel efficient
vehicle
you get a rebate from one to two K.
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so
I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.

Word of the Day:

SYCOPHANT

Main Entry:
sy·co·phant Listen to the pronunciation of sycophant
Pronunciation:
\-f?nt also -?fant\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin sycophanta slanderer, swindler, from Greek sykophante-s
slanderer, from sykon fig + phainein to show - more at fancy
Date:
1575

: a servile self-seeking flatterer
--
Red Herring

You've got a lot of nerve Johnny Boy.
Since Chuck tired of your foolishness, you've been so far up Snivellers butt
he can see you when he brushes his teeth.
Have some honour man... after all, you claim to have been a leader in your
army days.



You don't even know who you are trashing? *YOU* actually talk about
being up someone's "butt" (we say ass here, we're big boys!)??

Read before you post and then read it again before you hit "send".

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:28:15 -0500, Dan wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Red Herring" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"

Word of the Day:

SYCOPHANT

Main Entry:
sy·co·phant Listen to the pronunciation of sycophant
Pronunciation:
\-f?nt also -?fant\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin sycophanta slanderer, swindler, from Greek sykophante-s
slanderer, from sykon fig + phainein to show - more at fancy
Date:
1575

: a servile self-seeking flatterer
--
Red Herring

You've got a lot of nerve Johnny Boy.
Since Chuck tired of your foolishness, you've been so far up Snivellers butt
he can see you when he brushes his teeth.
Have some honour man... after all, you claim to have been a leader in your
army days.



You don't even know who you are trashing? *YOU* actually talk about
being up someone's "butt" (we say ass here, we're big boys!)??

Read before you post and then read it again before you hit "send".

I guess Don didn't like the word of the day.
--
Red Herring

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On Jan 18, 5:21*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. *:)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}

No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)

Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

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More political cut and paste from Harry..
 

On Jan 19, 12:05*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. *:)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? *They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. *They also can get very large..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

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On Jan 19, 12:05*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. *:)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... * :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? *They seem to have everything one could want in a
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Oh, and it's snowing like hell at my house!

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:



I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.

http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.

http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.
Are they good eating?

--Vic

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On Jan 19, 1:28*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. *Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie. *
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. *I'm confused now.

--Vic

http://myfwc.com/Fishing/Fishes/stripers.html

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On Jan 19, 1:36*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. *Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie. *
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. *I'm confused now.

http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

Hoo-eeee! *Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.
Are they good eating?

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Yes, very good!

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.

http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

That's them. The biggest I've caught was 48", caught while trolling. When
they are this big, I don't think they're great eating. I much prefer the
smaller 20-30" guys.

My advice is to take anything Harry says about fishing in the bay with a
big dose of salt. Remember who you're dealing with.
--
Red Herring