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On Jan 19, 11:15*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:qcq4p311lddurcv9hegoen3gjog06joq3v@4ax .com... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. *When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. *I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. *I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. *After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. *But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. * While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. *You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Same as on the lakes here, look for a pod of bait and birds, run up ahead of the pod, throw bucktail jigs. |
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On Jan 20, 9:20*am, wrote:
On Jan 19, 8:50*pm, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. Which ones? Lots of different "stripers." There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white bass. *Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a nice crappie. * Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big. Ocean stripers too. *I'm confused now. http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm Hoo-eeee! *Now that looks like fun. And tells me they call them rockfish too. Are they good eating? --Vic They're ok to catch, but not real fighters, especially around Chesapeake Bay, where most of the fishermen I see use heavy tackle. If you are in it to catch fighters, you want bluefish or crevalle jacks. A blue or jack one fourth the size of a rockfish will put up a tremendous fight. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've never caught a striper if you make that claim.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, it is quite accurate in my opinion. Jacks, or bluefish will give a lot more of a fight generally. I have had stripers come in just like a big frekin' log. They can be real lazy, until they see the boat;) |
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BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: Since don't you move to Virginia? Virginia appears to have everything you need. You could be closer to your favorite fishing grounds, no more towing your boat 6 hours to go fishing. You could get a concealed carry permit to protect yourself from all of the reich-wing rectal fissures. The tidewater area of Virgina has a cost of living near the same as your beloved Calvert County and you won't be living next door to a nuke plant. You really should go back to high school, get your GED and learn how to read, dirtbag. I tried and they wouldn't accept me, however, they did want me to endow a scholarship fund. Why? That would be totally out of character for "reich-wing rectal fissures" like you. Harry, Can't we agree to disagree without being disagreeable? It really does portray you in the worst possible way. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:50:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight. A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay. Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy, 50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed, depth, etc. You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect. Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers. As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle shifters. You know - like take the boat out of gear? When trolling, gear that heavy *is* used. I use a braided line, 80lb, mounted on Penn 330GTi reels which are mounted on Penn Senator rods. That's not the best money can buy, but it works for me. Overkill? Maybe, but I'm not going to lose fish because the line, rod, or reel broke. If I have six lines out and a fish on, I *could* stop the boat. At that time, the striper on line has his opportunity to tangle itself in the other five lines, if the lines are not already caught on something on the bottom. Most of the striper trolling is done in 30-40 feet of water. So, with a return of your due respect, us morons are not always wrong. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote: Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish down to Florida. That's a good point. I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I was really active in the business. You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel when conditions warranted. Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total experience, not just catching fish. Most of us aren't messing with clients, but friends. A fishing trip is successful anytime. It's even *more* successful if the folks catch their limit of fish. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:00:44 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect. Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers. As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle shifters. You know - like take the boat out of gear? The boys down here troll huge umbrella rigs, Tom. They're very heavy. Fifty pound line is probably on the light size for some of the umbrella rigs I have seen. They don't stop because if they do, the umbrella rigs sink to the bottom and snag or foul each other. It's a lousy way to fish. The damned rigs weigh so much and have so much water resistance when you tug them aboard, it's like hauling in dead weight, even when you have a fish. Some of the guys also tow planer boards or use siderigger poles. All this for a fish whose fighting abilities in the Bay are mediocre at best and whose taste is...nothing special. If you want fun catching a Bay striper, you want light tackle and no more than 14# line or even better, you want to use maybe an 8 weight flyrod to pitch a fly on sinking line into a pod of baitfish. I find striper fishing around here really boring, and rarely go after them. There's a bit of structure here and there in the Bay, and there are hard bottoms on the other side; that's where I go. Harry, I've not used an umbrella rig for ages. In fact, except for the big charter boats, most folks *don't* use a bunch of umbrella rigs. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:46:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:59:03 -0500, Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. I usually run ahead of the school drift rather than at it. Every moron runs at it - the smart way to do it is to get ahead of them. Scott caught that monster blue fish using exactly that technique. That works well if you can tell what direction they're headed. Some of us are simply too moronic to do so. -- Red Herring |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him at the border upon his return. As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of guys down here who do it. |
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On Jan 20, 9:59*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:42 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:50:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight. A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay. Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy, 50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed, depth, etc. You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect. Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers. As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle shifters. You know - like take the boat out of gear? When trolling, gear that heavy *is* used. I use a braided line, 80lb, mounted on Penn 330GTi reels which are mounted on Penn Senator rods. That's not the best money can buy, but it works for me. Overkill? Maybe, but I'm not going to lose fish because the line, rod, or reel broke. If I have six lines out and a fish on, I *could* stop the boat. At that time, the striper on line has his opportunity to tangle itself in the other five lines, if the lines are not already caught on something on the bottom. Most of the striper trolling is done in 30-40 feet of water. So, with a return of your due respect, us morons are not always wrong. What ever floats your boat. Obviously, you aren't into finesse. :) |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:05:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:42 -0500, Red Herring wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:50:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight. A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay. Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy, 50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed, depth, etc. You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect. Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers. As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle shifters. You know - like take the boat out of gear? When trolling, gear that heavy *is* used. I use a braided line, 80lb, mounted on Penn 330GTi reels which are mounted on Penn Senator rods. That's not the best money can buy, but it works for me. Overkill? Maybe, but I'm not going to lose fish because the line, rod, or reel broke. If I have six lines out and a fish on, I *could* stop the boat. At that time, the striper on line has his opportunity to tangle itself in the other five lines, if the lines are not already caught on something on the bottom. Most of the striper trolling is done in 30-40 feet of water. So, with a return of your due respect, us morons are not always wrong. What ever floats your boat. Obviously, you aren't into finesse. :) And I'm not into untangling lines and fish either...! -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:55:55 -0500, Red Herring
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"HK" wrote in message
... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. |
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"HK" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) Well, whatever floats your boat. I like to fish some, but, on the other hand, I wouldn't hunt. Gotta love the hunting shows - "Look, there's a deer (moose, buffalo, elk, sheep, pig) - let's shoot it!" BANG! "Look, it fell over and died!" |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? |
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On Jan 20, 10:09*am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 20, 9:59 am, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him at the border upon his return. As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of guys down here who do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's got to be almost as boring as flounder fishing... Especially flounder fishing in Lake Lanier.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your childish nature is something to behold..... |
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On Jan 20, 10:31*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 20, 9:59 am, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him at the border upon his return. As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of guys down here who do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's got to be almost as boring as flounder fishing... Especially flounder fishing in Lake Lanier. Harry, Actually we don't have flounder in Lake Lanier, but we do have some very hard fighting stripers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. It's funny that no matter what I post, Reggieturd tries to find something "contrary." I guess that's about all he can do. :-) -- George W. Bush - the countdown has begun! |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:30:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:28:43 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Which ones? Lots of different "stripers." There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a nice crappie. They are a white bass/striper hybrid and generally grow up to double the size of a good crappie - generally in the 1/2 to 3/4 pound range. Very durable fish and when younger, prolific breeders which makes them also a feed stock for other types of game fish. Probably the ones I fished for were stunted. The lakes I grew up fishing went to hell with speedboats - the reason I quit fishing up here. Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big. Those are salt water transplants and are genetically identical to salt water stripers. Depending on the size of the impoundment, they can get as big as salt water stripers given proper forage and cool water. Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now. Well, you aren't now. :) What? --Vic |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:
They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. --Vic |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:
They're ok to catch, but not real fighters, especially around Chesapeake Bay, where most of the fishermen I see use heavy tackle. If you are in it to catch fighters, you want bluefish or crevalle jacks. A blue or jack one fourth the size of a rockfish will put up a tremendous fight. Ran into a mess of amber jacks once on a charter in the gulf. They were tough for their size, and tired us out. Don't think we ate them, as we got some grouper too. --Vic |
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... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't that interesting? |
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