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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. --Vic Salt water stripers are not common in florida's ocean waters. In fact, I never caught one down there. But...when we went up to georgia and fished some of the rivers and inlets near the ocean, we'd see the occasional striper. Sand perch are delicious. My favorite little fishes in florida were whiting. Small, caught on bits of shrimp, delicious fillets. Next on my taste list were flounder. Steaked out kingfish fillets, properly cooked, were good. Also liked sea bass. Around here in the bay nothing competes in taste with flounder, though. I think I like sea trout second after flounder. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:00:57 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic If it's big, one way is to fillet it and then steak the fillets. Stripers have too big a backbone to cut through like one would a salmon, especially the big ones. -- Red Herring |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't that interesting? I think it is a factor if you "play" the fish a long time. I don't. But, againt, what is "too long"? |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:14:41 -0500, HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. Harry, they're played too long when you take the hook out, put them in the water, and they float. Don't pretend to be more moronic than necessary. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. 'Poaching' is kinda cute. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. --Vic I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a quarter inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn they're good. -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:41:53 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. That's not exactly true. It is true that light tackle can increase the amount of lactic acid, proper C&R technique is to let 'em set in a heavily oxygenated live well before you release 'em back into the wild. About the only freshwater fish that I know of that can handle the excess are the largemouth/smallmouth fishies. Normally, it's not a long fight though - I don't do a lot of long casts into structure. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? Mess much with salt water catfish? Great little fighters, stinky fish. |
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... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't that interesting? I think it is a factor if you "play" the fish a long time. I don't. But, againt, what is "too long"? There's no way for you or I to know that unless we happen to have a biologist in the boat who's prepared to measure, in whatever way they do that. All you and I can do is forget the nonsense about light tackle being "more sporting". |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:13:32 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... No boat needed...just walk along the wide shoreline and pick them up out of the mud, eh? ROTF!!!!!!! Word of the Day: toady Main Entry: Pronunciation: \?to--de-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening & alteration from toadeater Date: 1826 : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors -- Red Herring |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:31:23 -0500, HK wrote:
Please. Pound for pound, blues and jacks are among the best fighting fish in the ocean. If I want the "joy" of fishing on light tackle, I want to be catching blues and jacks. Stripers do not rank high on the list of "fighting" fish. Outside of freshwater rock bass and smallmouths, the pound for pound fightingest fish I've caught was that little tarpon last summer. I named him Roberto Duran. --Vic |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
There's no way for you or I to know that unless we happen to have a biologist in the boat who's prepared to measure, in whatever way they do that. All you and I can do is forget the nonsense about light tackle being "more sporting". Or maybe have enough technique to get them up in a hurry, even with light tackle. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:31:23 -0500, HK wrote: Please. Pound for pound, blues and jacks are among the best fighting fish in the ocean. If I want the "joy" of fishing on light tackle, I want to be catching blues and jacks. Stripers do not rank high on the list of "fighting" fish. Outside of freshwater rock bass and smallmouths, the pound for pound fightingest fish I've caught was that little tarpon last summer. I named him Roberto Duran. --Vic Can't argue with that. Tarpon are fabulous fighters. So are bonefish. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. Sand perch? Those are bait fish if I remember. Kinda smallish? |
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On Jan 20, 11:13*am, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 20, 10:31 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 20, 9:59 am, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message .. . It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Good Lord...sounds like a light commercial operation. I'm not that interested in fishing, but did enjoy taking the boys out with a rod & reel when they were young. *Oddly enough, my #2 son seems to enjoy fishing with his buddies on occasion. He's already eying my Yukon but I insisted he take the course & get his 'Operator' card first. Plus...some first hand familiarization on operating the boat. Might be easier just to send him down to Capt Tom SW for a bootcamp first. Yeah, that'll do it...bootcamp with SW Tom. The mounties will arrest him at the border upon his return. As for the slow trolling with heavy tackle, well, there are plenty of guys down here who do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's got to be almost as boring as flounder fishing... Especially flounder fishing in Lake Lanier. Harry, Actually we don't have flounder in Lake Lanier, but we do have some very hard fighting stripers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. No boat needed...just walk along the wide shoreline and pick them up out of the mud, eh? ROTF!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice reach around Jim, I'll bet Harry enjoyed it! As usual, Harry doesn't have a ****ing clue. There's plenty of water in Lanier. I'll bet I fish more miles of shoreline than he does. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. Sand perch? Those are bait fish if I remember. Kinda smallish? About a pound or two, typically. Tasty. |
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On Jan 20, 11:23*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. *Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. *We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. *Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? Yes, we have carp but not as prolific as some places. I either by my blood bait or sometimes, if I know ahead of time that I'll be catfishing, I'll make some. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. No way. --Vic |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:21:17 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:00:57 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic If it's big, one way is to fillet it and then steak the fillets. Stripers have too big a backbone to cut through like one would a salmon, especially the big ones. Ok. Since I've had a few introductory filleting courses from my dad, I'll learn some fish butchering too. Looking forward to it, and getting hungry. --Vic |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:14:41 -0500, HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now, that's a surprise. :-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be. Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it up? Stay tuned. Harry, they're played too long when you take the hook out, put them in the water, and they float. Don't pretend to be more moronic than necessary. -- Red Herring Actually they can swim off, and still die shortly after. Light weight tackle is detrimental to the survival rate of C&R. Then again, Harry feeds wildlife against all the advice of the experts who say this is the worst thing you can do for wildlife. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. Forgot that grilled is good too. Just don't care much for baked or stewed. --Vic |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:26:52 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? Mess much with salt water catfish? Great little fighters, stinky fish. When I run into them, I generally pack up and move. --Vic |
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... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. Forgot that grilled is good too. Just don't care much for baked or stewed. --Vic Here's something interesting to try with any fish that can be poached without turning into mush. This dish always gets good reviews here. Fish in Crazy Water PESCE ALL'ACQUA PAZZA Recipe from "Marcella Cucina" by Marcella Hazan 1 1/2 pounds fresh, ripe tomatoes 4 cups of water 3 large garlic cloves, peeled and sliced very thin 2 tablespoons very finely chopped parsley Chopped red chili pepper, 1/8 teaspoon or to taste, or dried red pepper flakes 1/4 cup extra virgin olive oil Salt A 1 1/2- to 2-pound red snapper, filleted with its skin left on Optional: 4 slices of day-old or grilled sourdough bread For 4 persons One of the most frequently recurring conversational expressions in the dialect of my native Romagna is anicreid, "I don't believe it." That skepticism is a characteristic I share with people of my region. When a dish has a fanciful name, I resist trying it, feeling that it has been dressed up to cover up a lack of substance. Had it been up to me, I never would have sampled that Neapolitan creation, fish in crazy water. "What's crazy water go to do with cooking and anyway, who wants to eat fish in water?" Such were my thoughts, until my friend from Amalfi, Pierino Jovine, one day simply brought the dish to the table without asking or telling. Now, I am the one who goes crazy over it. Water is what brings together all the seasoning ingredients, the tomatoes, garlic, parsley, chili pepper, salt, and olive oil. They simmer in it for a full 45 minutes, exchanging and compounding their flavors, producing a substance that is denser than a broth, looser, more vivacious, and fresher in taste than any sauce, in which you then cook the fish. 1.Peel the tomatoes raw using a swiveling-blade vegetable peeler, and chop them roughly with all their juice and seeds. The yield should be about 2 cups. 2.Choose a saute pan in which the fish fillets can be subsequently fit flat without overlapping. Put in the water, garlic, chopped tomatoes, parsley, chili pepper, olive oil, and salt. Cover the pan, turn the heat to medium, for 45 minutes. 3.Uncover the pan, turn up the heat, and boil the liquid until it has been reduced to half its original volume. 4.Add the fish, skin facing up. Cook for 2 minutes, then gently turn it over, using two spatulas. Add a little more salt and cook for another 12 minutes or so. Serve promptly over the optional bread slice. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:33:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. Sand perch? Those are bait fish if I remember. Kinda smallish? A good one is same size as a good crappie where I've caught them in Florida, most in east coast surf. But you might keep a small one to eat where you'd toss the same size crappie back. --Vic |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. Spent my high school years fishing the Potomac off of Ft. Belvior for catfish. We would fish for channel cats and what we called mud cats. Use worms to catch perch, back hook the perch to catch the cats. We were fishing for that elusive 25 pounder. And, we allways had a case of our favorite beverage along to sip while waiting for the poles to be pulled over. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? We have lots of Carp in the Potomac and Anacostia rivers. Not much for a fight. People actually eat the Carp even after knowing what garbage the Carp eat. |
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On Jan 20, 11:10*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Correction: If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? * WTF??? No sense being a recreational fisherman, then. "Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" *Now, that's a surprise. *:-) One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R. You actually said something that makes sense. WTF? Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue. Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be all it's cracked up to be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Guess we should just cut their frekin' heads off then.. more humane?? |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:08:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring wrote: Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook doing the frying. But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small. When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best method for slicing it up for frying. Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried. --Vic It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish without oil or, even worse, crisco. Forgot that grilled is good too. Just don't care much for baked or stewed. --Vic Here's something interesting to try with any fish that can be poached without turning into mush. This dish always gets good reviews here. Fish in Crazy Water PESCE ALL'ACQUA PAZZA Recipe from "Marcella Cucina" by Marcella Hazan 1 1/2 pounds fresh, ripe tomatoes 4 cups of water 3 large garlic cloves, peeled and sliced very thin 2 tablespoons very finely chopped parsley Chopped red chili pepper, 1/8 teaspoon or to taste, or dried red pepper flakes 1/4 cup extra virgin olive oil Salt A 1 1/2- to 2-pound red snapper, filleted with its skin left on Optional: 4 slices of day-old or grilled sourdough bread For 4 persons One of the most frequently recurring conversational expressions in the dialect of my native Romagna is anicreid, "I don't believe it." That skepticism is a characteristic I share with people of my region. When a dish has a fanciful name, I resist trying it, feeling that it has been dressed up to cover up a lack of substance. Had it been up to me, I never would have sampled that Neapolitan creation, fish in crazy water. "What's crazy water go to do with cooking and anyway, who wants to eat fish in water?" Such were my thoughts, until my friend from Amalfi, Pierino Jovine, one day simply brought the dish to the table without asking or telling. Now, I am the one who goes crazy over it. Water is what brings together all the seasoning ingredients, the tomatoes, garlic, parsley, chili pepper, salt, and olive oil. They simmer in it for a full 45 minutes, exchanging and compounding their flavors, producing a substance that is denser than a broth, looser, more vivacious, and fresher in taste than any sauce, in which you then cook the fish. 1.Peel the tomatoes raw using a swiveling-blade vegetable peeler, and chop them roughly with all their juice and seeds. The yield should be about 2 cups. 2.Choose a saute pan in which the fish fillets can be subsequently fit flat without overlapping. Put in the water, garlic, chopped tomatoes, parsley, chili pepper, olive oil, and salt. Cover the pan, turn the heat to medium, for 45 minutes. 3.Uncover the pan, turn up the heat, and boil the liquid until it has been reduced to half its original volume. 4.Add the fish, skin facing up. Cook for 2 minutes, then gently turn it over, using two spatulas. Add a little more salt and cook for another 12 minutes or so. Serve promptly over the optional bread slice. Thanks, Joe. I'll put it on file for my wife, who is a cook. If she makes it, I'll eat it. --Vic |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:18:17 -0500, BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. Spent my high school years fishing the Potomac off of Ft. Belvior for catfish. We would fish for channel cats and what we called mud cats. Use worms to catch perch, back hook the perch to catch the cats. We were fishing for that elusive 25 pounder. And, we allways had a case of our favorite beverage along to sip while waiting for the poles to be pulled over. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? We have lots of Carp in the Potomac and Anacostia rivers. Not much for a fight. People actually eat the Carp even after knowing what garbage the Carp eat. That's a coincidence. I used to have a spot off Ft Belvoir where I'd anchor and use salted eel for catfish. They weren't worth a damn to eat, but it was fun to take nieces and nephews out there and let them catch fish. I'd tell them we had to kiss 'em goodbye when we threw them back. They had little problem with that, after I showed them how, but there momma's didn't think it was too cool. -- Red Herring |
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HK wrote: Don White wrote: "Red Herring" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:13:32 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... No boat needed...just walk along the wide shoreline and pick them up out of the mud, eh? ROTF!!!!!!! Word of the Day: toady Main Entry: Pronunciation: \?to--de-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening & alteration from toadeater Date: 1826 : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors -- Red Herring Pot, kettle..black! Have you hooked up with Snivlers yet today? I wonder when Herring's 93 grandchildren show up if Gramps takes his teeth out, winds them up, and lets them dance on the tabletop for the enjoyment of the younger generation? :-) At least Herring has grandchildren that come to his house. Well, Bertie, find a woman. Get her real drunk and see if she will procreate with you. Send the resulting issue away until it reaches the age of majority, so it isn't poisoned by your selfish mindset. Perhaps it, too, will procreate and with a monitor present in your household, allow you to see kids in your house. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:25:51 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote: They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New England salt waters. Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting, so I just might not go after them unless I release. My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and he can hardly stand. They do taste good. I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a quarter inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn they're good. Speckled trout - pan fried in a corn meal batter. MMMMMMM....... |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:34:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:
bet I fish more miles of shoreline than he does. Um... Never mind. I'll be nice in the interest of fraternity. :) |
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On Jan 20, 1:21*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:18:17 -0500, BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. *Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. *We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. Spent my high school years fishing the Potomac off of Ft. Belvior for catfish. We would fish for channel cats and what we called mud cats. Use worms to catch perch, back hook the perch to catch the cats. We were fishing for that elusive 25 pounder. *And, we allways had a case of our favorite beverage along to sip while waiting for the poles to be pulled over. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. *Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? We have lots of Carp in the Potomac and Anacostia rivers. Not much for a fight. People actually eat the Carp even after knowing what garbage the Carp eat. A Texan I know told me that some Texas cattle ranches have big "Carp Cook-outs" during the spawn. These are the ones with extensive irrigation ditches where the carp can grow pretty big. During the spawn the cowboys "round up" the carp by whooping and hollerin' them down the canals, closing canal gates as they go. When they get them to no-way-out end pool they wade in and pitchfork the carp out into truck beds and bring them to the ranch house. The way they cook them is pretty interesting. *Build a big bonfire of brush and mesquite wood on soft earth. *When the fire is down to embers bobcat approximately 1 foot of hot earth and embers aside, and place the fish in the depression, then bobcat the earth and embers back over the fish. *Build another fire over it that'll burn a couple hours. Now before the carp are tossed into the pit that are encased in cow manure. *I think this guy - his name was Rowdy - said the name of the carp dish is called "Carapaced Carp." While the second fire is burning everybody's drinking iced Bud and doing the dosie-doe to the sounds of a local square-dance band. When it's time to eat the bobcat moves the fire off the fish and everybody sits down to feast. Rowdy said when that firepit hardened dung crust is cracked off you can see the clean white carp meat shining in the sun, and steaming. I asked him how the carp tasted, and he looked at me like I was crazy, and says, "Hell, boy, we throw that damn carp away. *It's the crust that's the good eatin." --Vic Carp??? *No thanks. *And no thank on the bottom feeding catfish unless they are farm pond raised.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you've bought into the idiotic notion that catfish are somehow not clean. Must be hell to not be able to read and learn on your own. Here, learn something, or at least try: Habitat - Most common in big rivers and streams. Prefers some current, and deep water with sand, gravel or rubble bottoms. Channel catfish also inhabit lakes, reservoirs and ponds. Feeding Habits - Feeds primarily at night using taste buds in the sensitive barbels and throughout the skin to locate prey. Although they normally feed on the bottom, channels also will feed at the surface and at mid-depth. Major foods are aquatic insects, crayfish, mollusks, crustaceans and fishes. Small channels consume invertebrates, but larger ones may eat fish. Contrary to popular belief, carrion is not their normal food. Eating Quality - Considered one of the best-eating freshwater fish. The meat is white, tender and sweet when taken from clean water. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:18:17 -0500, BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc. I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes. Spent my high school years fishing the Potomac off of Ft. Belvior for catfish. We would fish for channel cats and what we called mud cats. Use worms to catch perch, back hook the perch to catch the cats. We were fishing for that elusive 25 pounder. And, we allways had a case of our favorite beverage along to sip while waiting for the poles to be pulled over. I grew up bow hunting for carp. That was a lot of fun. My maternal Grandmother had a really good recipe for carp - it was a chowderish type of stew. Pretty good as I remember it. I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee - great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30 pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10 fish that day, not one under 20 pounds. Good eatin' too. You folks have carp down there? We have lots of Carp in the Potomac and Anacostia rivers. Not much for a fight. People actually eat the Carp even after knowing what garbage the Carp eat. Heh. People eat lobster and crab too. :) |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:13:26 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: "Hell, boy, we throw that damn carp away. It's the crust that's the good eatin." LOL!! Twenty years ago when I was just starting out after semi-retirement as a "professional" guide, I took a trip out west with the family. Mrs. Wave took the kids to see something and I went fishing with an First American guide up the Snake River in Wyoming on reservation land. Best fish ever. We caught a couple of nice size trout and the guide kept them. Steamed them in corn husks with some salt and pepper. Unbelievable. Of course, outdoors in the beauty of the Grand Tetons might have helped that along. :) |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:18:40 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Guess we should just cut their frekin' heads off then.. more humane?? Remember that bluefish you argued with for about ten minutes in Narragansett? Think it appreciated the time in the live well to recover? Did it die? Did it swim away when you let it go? There is C&R and then there is correct C&R. |
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