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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:31:49 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:36:33 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. Which ones? Lots of different "stripers." There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a nice crappie. Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big. Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now. http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun. And tells me they call them rockfish too. Morons who fish the Chesapeake call them rockfish and the lefties on the West coast do the same. :) Are they good eating? Very good - similar to other white fish flesh taken from the ocean like flounder, haddock, pollock, etc. Most of us morons who fish the Chesapeake call them 'stripers'. Very few of us morons actually refer to them as rockfish, unless we morons are in extremely fine company - such as yourself, of course. -- Red Herring |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:14:26 -0500, BAR wrote:
Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:33:23 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:57:39 -0500, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. Which ones? Lots of different "stripers." There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a nice crappie. Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big. Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now. http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun. And tells me they call them rockfish too. Are they good eating? They are great eating and not an easy to catch. They, rockfish, like eating crabs thus their trek into the Chesapeake Bay on their way north. The Chesapeake Bay is a good place for them to fatten up for the Winter and Summer. I'm jealous of you guys. When I get by the water and start catching fish, I'll be asking for recipes. --Vic Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple! Fillet it, season it (blackening spices) and fry it. Well, I forgot the fillet part. Blackening is good. -- Red Herring |
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CalifBill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:46:36 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I'm not much of a striper fan myself. They are a good eating fish and when they have some heft, can be a ton of fun on light tackle, but your average striper, from a boat, isn't a real challenge. Now from the surf - that's a whole different story. It's a challenge to work a striper from the surf or from rocks - that can be a real blast and challenging. I have three 50 lbers to my credit - 51, 54 and 58. All were from the surf at Watch Hill and Napatree Beach in Westerly, RI on an eleven foot Ugly Stick rod, Van Staal reel and 20 lb test using a dodger lure of my own design. Can't beat that experience. Anything above 20 lbs is a good fish and will give you a decent turn of the reel. Below that - eh. We get a lot of the 20-28" stripers here. They put on a good fight, but most of us use light tackle. Tossing HairRaisers on 7-12# test line. Or 8 weight fly rods and Clousers. It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. -- Red Herring Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight. A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay. Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy, 50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed, depth, etc. -- Red Herring |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. Oh, the schoolies will do the same here, but they have to compete with bluefish which are highly aggressive. Generally, when you see birds working the surface, it's because bluefish chased them up. Stripers will hang below the bluefish and then they are pretty much finished, that's prime time for the more aggressive schoolie stripers. Larger stripers, say over 20 lbs, tend to be opportunistic feeders hanging along and around structure and break points. Next time I go down to Watch Hill Light, I'll take some pictures of prime East Coast striper territory. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. Up here, it's blue fish city when that happens. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:59:03 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. I usually run ahead of the school drift rather than at it. Every moron runs at it - the smart way to do it is to get ahead of them. Scott caught that monster blue fish using exactly that technique. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. Oh, the schoolies will do the same here, but they have to compete with bluefish which are highly aggressive. Generally, when you see birds working the surface, it's because bluefish chased them up. Stripers will hang below the bluefish and then they are pretty much finished, that's prime time for the more aggressive schoolie stripers. Larger stripers, say over 20 lbs, tend to be opportunistic feeders hanging along and around structure and break points. Next time I go down to Watch Hill Light, I'll take some pictures of prime East Coast striper territory. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. Up here, it's blue fish city when that happens. I'd rather catch 5-10 pound bluefish on light tackle than 30 pound stripers. |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Red Herring wrote: On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very large.- Hide quoted text - I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the best. I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior. Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8 foot fly rod - whoo hoo!! They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to rise from around 100'. Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers were busting them from below. Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are lazy and generally ambush predators. Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your feet. We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then start throwing jigs. Lots of fun. Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight. A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay. Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy, 50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed, depth, etc. You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect. Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers. As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle shifters. You know - like take the boat out of gear? |
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HK wrote:
CalifBill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:46:36 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers, but if so I imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them. Why not - I do. :) Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment value... :} No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;) Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers." Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish....... I'm not much of a striper fan myself. They are a good eating fish and when they have some heft, can be a ton of fun on light tackle, but your average striper, from a boat, isn't a real challenge. Now from the surf - that's a whole different story. It's a challenge to work a striper from the surf or from rocks - that can be a real blast and challenging. I have three 50 lbers to my credit - 51, 54 and 58. All were from the surf at Watch Hill and Napatree Beach in Westerly, RI on an eleven foot Ugly Stick rod, Van Staal reel and 20 lb test using a dodger lure of my own design. Can't beat that experience. Anything above 20 lbs is a good fish and will give you a decent turn of the reel. Below that - eh. We get a lot of the 20-28" stripers here. They put on a good fight, but most of us use light tackle. Tossing HairRaisers on 7-12# test line. Or 8 weight fly rods and Clousers. It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I guess, of snagging a fish. All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard, at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the larger fish just don't taste very good. Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a bluefish or a striper. If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there. Since don't you move to Virginia? Virginia appears to have everything you need. You could be closer to your favorite fishing grounds, no more towing your boat 6 hours to go fishing. You could get a concealed carry permit to protect yourself from all of the reich-wing rectal fissures. The tidewater area of Virgina has a cost of living near the same as your beloved Calvert County and you won't be living next door to a nuke plant. |
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