More political cut and paste from Harry..
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:30:11 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:02:03 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Red Herring wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the
entertainment
value... :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have
not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing..
;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go
out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the
plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."
Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......
I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes to
fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very
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I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of
striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this
summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior.
Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8
foot fly rod - whoo hoo!!

They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.
Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the
anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy. While at San
Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west
fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds going
crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers.
Lots of times they would be at your feet.
We do the same thing in the bay, look for the birds and haul ass. The trick
is to sneak up on the bait school so as not to scare them off, and then
start throwing jigs. Lots of fun.
Well you must be a Plonker, because only Plonkers like to fish for a
large fish that taste great and puts up a good fight.
A 'moronic' Plonker, as I fish in the Bay.

Harry is right about the lack of fight when trolling. The gear is heavy,
50-80lb line, the boat doesn't stop, and the goal is to get the fish in the
boat. The hard part of trolling is in choosing - location, lures, speed,
depth, etc.

You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect.

Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers.

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle
shifters.

What and get the boat behind you running up your ass?

You know - like take the boat out of gear?

Huh?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

You and Harry are wrong on that - with all due respect.

Gear that heavy is used for freakin' tuna, not stripers.

As to the boat stopping, that's why God invented gear/throttle
shifters.

You know - like take the boat out of gear?


The boys down here troll huge umbrella rigs, Tom. They're very heavy.
Fifty pound line is probably on the light size for some of the umbrella
rigs I have seen. They don't stop because if they do, the umbrella rigs
sink to the bottom and snag or foul each other.

It's a lousy way to fish. The damned rigs weigh so much and have so much
water resistance when you tug them aboard, it's like hauling in dead
weight, even when you have a fish.

Some of the guys also tow planer boards or use siderigger poles. All
this for a fish whose fighting abilities in the Bay are mediocre at best
and whose taste is...nothing special. If you want fun catching a Bay
striper, you want light tackle and no more than 14# line or even better,
you want to use maybe an 8 weight flyrod to pitch a fly on sinking line
into a pod of baitfish.

I find striper fishing around here really boring, and rarely go after
them. There's a bit of structure here and there in the Bay, and there
are hard bottoms on the other side; that's where I go.

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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.
Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard
the anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy.

Oh, the schoolies will do the same here, but they have to compete with
bluefish which are highly aggressive. Generally, when you see birds
working the surface, it's because bluefish chased them up.

Stripers will hang below the bluefish and then they are pretty much
finished, that's prime time for the more aggressive schoolie stripers.

Larger stripers, say over 20 lbs, tend to be opportunistic feeders
hanging along and around structure and break points.

Next time I go down to Watch Hill Light, I'll take some pictures of
prime East Coast striper territory.

While at San Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a
few blocks west fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until
you saw the birds going crazy and raced down the beach to start
throwing jigs for the stripers. Lots of times they would be at your
feet.

Up here, it's blue fish city when that happens.


I'd rather catch 5-10 pound bluefish on light tackle than 30 pound
stripers.

As long as you throw the bluefish back. There is nothing like landing a
bluefish and having it regurgitate its stomach's contents or it
stomach's contents and its stomack. And, the bluefish bleed like stuck pigs.

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:26:44 -0500, HK wrote:

CalifBill wrote:

We get a lot of the 20-28" stripers here. They put on a good fight, but
most of us use light tackle. Tossing HairRaisers on 7-12# test line. Or 8
weight fly rods and Clousers.

It seems like a majority of the striper fishermen in Chesapeake Bay use
heavy tackle to try to catch these fish. In trolling season, they slow
troll huge and heavy umbrella rigs, or single but monster sized hard
baits, or they'll further pollute the Bay by "chumming." It isn't
unusual to see 20 to 40 boats trolling the same small area, in hopes I
guess, of snagging a fish.

I can get that way up here - in particular on weekends - it's freakin'
nuts sometimes.

Although I'm confused about the gear thing. I very rarely go over 12
lbs test even when trolling and a lot of the pros I know do the same.

I use shock leaders - generally 20lb florocarbon, but I will go with
lighter shock leaders if conditions warrant it.

All this for fish that, relative to their size, don't fight that hard,
at least not around here. But typically they are the biggest fish in
most of the Bay, so lots of guys target them. The sad thing is that the
larger fish just don't taste very good.

On that I agree - larger stripers, say over 24 lbs, just aren't all
that good, although I've had a pretty good meal from a 40 lber that I
foul hooked one time at The Race. Mrs. Wave made chowder out of it
and it was very good.

Sometimes you'll see a pod of small, breaking fish, and if you have some
light tackle handle, you can toss a bait into the pod and catch a
bluefish or a striper.

To be totally honest, if I'm just out for a good time, I'll target
bluefish every time.

Pound-for-pound, the most fun on light tackle you can have.

If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or
offshore wrecks down there.

This summer I'll make a point of stopping along the way - probably the
end of June I'm thinking.

I'll pay for the gas. :)

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BAR wrote:

Since don't you move to Virginia? Virginia appears to have everything
you need. You could be closer to your favorite fishing grounds, no more
towing your boat 6 hours to go fishing. You could get a concealed carry
permit to protect yourself from all of the reich-wing rectal fissures.
The tidewater area of Virgina has a cost of living near the same as your
beloved Calvert County and you won't be living next door to a nuke plant.



You really should go back to high school, get your GED and learn how to
read, dirtbag.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Since don't you move to Virginia? Virginia appears to have everything
you need. You could be closer to your favorite fishing grounds, no
more towing your boat 6 hours to go fishing. You could get a concealed
carry permit to protect yourself from all of the reich-wing rectal
fissures. The tidewater area of Virgina has a cost of living near the
same as your beloved Calvert County and you won't be living next door
to a nuke plant.



You really should go back to high school, get your GED and learn how to
read, dirtbag.

I tried and they wouldn't accept me, however, they did want me to endow
a scholarship fund.

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Since don't you move to Virginia? Virginia appears to have everything
you need. You could be closer to your favorite fishing grounds, no
more towing your boat 6 hours to go fishing. You could get a
concealed carry permit to protect yourself from all of the reich-wing
rectal fissures. The tidewater area of Virgina has a cost of living
near the same as your beloved Calvert County and you won't be living
next door to a nuke plant.



You really should go back to high school, get your GED and learn how
to read, dirtbag.

I tried and they wouldn't accept me, however, they did want me to endow
a scholarship fund.


Why? That would be totally out of character for "reich-wing
rectal fissures" like you.

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

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On Jan 20, 9:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. *As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. *I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

Yeah, but sometimes you are not that chatty... We are going to have
to go down and show Harry what light tackle is all about;)

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On Jan 19, 8:50*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. *Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie. *
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. *I'm confused now.
http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

Hoo-eeee! *Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.
Are they good eating?

--Vic

They're ok to catch, but not real fighters, especially around Chesapeake
Bay, where most of the fishermen I see use heavy tackle. If you are in
it to catch fighters, you want bluefish or crevalle jacks. A blue or
jack one fourth the size of a rockfish will put up a tremendous fight.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

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You've never caught a striper if you make that claim.