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Red Herring wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:01:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:25:51 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:


They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For
reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New
England salt waters.
Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.
I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a quarter
inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn they're
good.
Speckled trout - pan fried in a corn meal batter.

MMMMMMM.......

Trout are getting damn hard to find in the bay. Unless you're Harry of
course. But I think they're the best eating of the fish out there. May not
be the same trout you're talking about. Here they're also called weakfish.
The hook will pull out of their mouth very easily.

The problem is that the bluefish find a school of Sea
Trout/Weakfish/Speckled Trout and when you are gently reeling in the Sea
Trout a damn bluefish will see it and make a dash towards it and take a
big old bite out of the middle of the Sea Trout and you are left with a
head on the hook if you are lucky.

Sea Trout are good eating fish.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:
Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!

That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic


It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish
without oil or, even worse, crisco.

No way.

--Vic

Asian Steamed fish. good with the ones that are the correct size for 2-4
people. In a Wok or deep skillet, a little oil, ginger and garlic. Heat
oil and sear fish on both sides and then add some wine, and a few green
onions, and cover cook until flaky.



Maybe some black bean sauce.....yum city.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:19:39 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

hushpuppies

I have never developed a taste for hushpuppies for some reason.

Oddly, I love cornbread.

You are odd!

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:36:33 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.

http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm

Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.

Morons who fish the Chesapeake call them rockfish and the lefties on
the West coast do the same. :)

Are they good eating?

Very good - similar to other white fish flesh taken from the ocean
like flounder, haddock, pollock, etc.

Only heard of them called Stripers (sometimes spelled Strippers) here on the
west coast. Rockfish are a completely different fish. All the fish here
are of the "Groundfish complex" as the fisheries managers call them. Most
of them are Sebastes genus. Also known as codfish here.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishid2007.pdf

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On Jan 20, 4:19*pm, BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:19:39 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

hushpuppies

I have never developed a taste for hushpuppies for some reason.

Oddly, I love cornbread.

You are odd!

Yeah he is...;)

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"Red Herring" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

Most of us aren't messing with clients, but friends. A fishing trip is
successful anytime. It's even *more* successful if the folks catch their
limit of fish.
--
Red Herring

Catching and keeping a limit, does not make for great trip. It is the day
on the water, and the total experience. If I wanted fish to eat, I can buy
them all cleaned at the market for a lot less than I can catch them.
Probably buy them fixed into a nice dinner cheaper than I can catch them. A
former fishing partner from Harrisburg, PA was your way. If not a limit,
was not a good trip. Even if we saw river otters, and beaver in the
Sacramento Delta, the trip duccess depended on limits. Unfortunately
because of years and diabetes caused loss of a leg he no longer fishes. I
fished a lake friday. Kept one freshwater Coho Salmon as it was not going
to survive the unhooking process. Did taste good with fried potatoes.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:05 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing
customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the
entertainment
value... :}
No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like,
I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have
not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I
do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing..
;)
Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll
go
out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the
plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it,
"strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no
one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they
are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

I am wondering why Harry thinks only Plonkers (whatever that is)likes
to
fish for stripers? They seem to have everything one could want in a
fish, they taste good and fight like hell. They also can get very
large.- Hide quoted text -

I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.

I'll say this for freshwater stripers - they are a different sort of
striper. When I was fishing Lakes Moultrie, Marion and Murray this
summer, I was surprised at the size of the fish and their behavior.
Even the lighter schoolies put up a decent fight and on a medium 8
foot fly rod - whoo hoo!!

They have an interesting behavior that was new to me. I was watching
the fish finder and ran into a rather broad school of blue back
herring. I sat on top of the school and just kind of watched it
drift. After a few minutes you could see fish markers coming in from
the sides and the school start to ball up - eventually starting to
rise from around 100'.

Next thing you know, the herring are on the surface and the stripers
were busting them from below.

Never seen that before - stripers, at least salt water stripers, are
lazy and generally ambush predators.

Maybe on the Wrong coast they are lazy. But out here they will heard the
anchovies into the beach and go on a feeding frenzy.

Oh, the schoolies will do the same here, but they have to compete with
bluefish which are highly aggressive. Generally, when you see birds
working the surface, it's because bluefish chased them up.

Stripers will hang below the bluefish and then they are pretty much
finished, that's prime time for the more aggressive schoolie stripers.

Larger stripers, say over 20 lbs, tend to be opportunistic feeders
hanging along and around structure and break points.

Next time I go down to Watch Hill Light, I'll take some pictures of
prime East Coast striper territory.

While at San
Francisco State University, I spend many an afternoon a few blocks west
fishing the beaches for stripers. You waited until you saw the birds
going
crazy and raced down the beach to start throwing jigs for the stripers.
Lots of times they would be at your feet.

Up here, it's blue fish city when that happens.

No Bluefish out here. You will get salmon in the feeding frenzy at times.
Which is always a nice suprize.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:46:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 18, 5:21 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:02 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:56:13 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:
I don't know if WayneD still takes out paying fishing customers,
but if so I
imagine he'd just pass any additional costs on to them.
Why not - I do. :)
Now, I can see paying to watch you fish...just for the entertainment
value... :}

No, if it's entertainment you want, come watch me fish. It's like, I
know there is something down there in the water, but I still have not
really figured out what it is.. After all, once in a while when I do
catch one it's not in the water anymore, it's all very confusing.. ;)

Well, if you ever get your butt down here, let me know, and we'll go out
and find some flounder or other good eating fish. It's only the plonkers
who chase after stripers, or, as they usually spell it, "strippers."

Another example of *if Harry doesn't do it, own it, or like it, no one
else should*. Millions of striper fisherman in the U.S., but they are
all idiots because Harry doesn't striper fish.......

I'm not much of a striper fan myself. They are a good eating fish and
when they have some heft, can be a ton of fun on light tackle, but
your average striper, from a boat, isn't a real challenge.

Now from the surf - that's a whole different story. It's a challenge
to work a striper from the surf or from rocks - that can be a real
blast and challenging.

I have three 50 lbers to my credit - 51, 54 and 58. All were from the
surf at Watch Hill and Napatree Beach in Westerly, RI on an eleven
foot Ugly Stick rod, Van Staal reel and 20 lb test using a dodger lure
of my own design. Can't beat that experience.

Anything above 20 lbs is a good fish and will give you a decent turn
of the reel. Below that - eh.

We were in Boston in the late 80's and as we crossed one of the big bridges,
people were fishing from it, using a balloon to float the bait out there.
Always wondered what they were fishing for. Since we were driving, could
not stop and ask.

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BAR wrote:
Red Herring wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:01:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:25:51 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:


They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to
catch. For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in
the colder, New England salt waters.
Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.
I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a
quarter
inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn
they're
good.
Speckled trout - pan fried in a corn meal batter.

MMMMMMM.......

Trout are getting damn hard to find in the bay. Unless you're Harry of
course. But I think they're the best eating of the fish out there. May
not
be the same trout you're talking about. Here they're also called
weakfish.
The hook will pull out of their mouth very easily.

The problem is that the bluefish find a school of Sea
Trout/Weakfish/Speckled Trout and when you are gently reeling in the Sea
Trout a damn bluefish will see it and make a dash towards it and take a
big old bite out of the middle of the Sea Trout and you are left with a
head on the hook if you are lucky.

Sea Trout are good eating fish.



Yes, they are. Sea trout and weakfish are not the same fish.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:36:33 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.
http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm
Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.
Morons who fish the Chesapeake call them rockfish and the lefties on
the West coast do the same. :)

Are they good eating?
Very good - similar to other white fish flesh taken from the ocean
like flounder, haddock, pollock, etc.

Only heard of them called Stripers (sometimes spelled Strippers) here on the
west coast. Rockfish are a completely different fish. All the fish here
are of the "Groundfish complex" as the fisheries managers call them. Most
of them are Sebastes genus. Also known as codfish here.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishid2007.pdf



Locals who live on and fish the Bay call them rockfish. It seems to be a
mostly Maryland-Delaware-Virginia name for striped bass. As you point
it, it is not the same critter as your west coast rockfish.

As a Yankee, I was introduced to striped bass as stripers. It wasn't
until I was in my 20's that I caught up with a stripper.