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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:30:08 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Red Herring" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

Most of us aren't messing with clients, but friends. A fishing trip is
successful anytime. It's even *more* successful if the folks catch their
limit of fish.
--
Red Herring

Catching and keeping a limit, does not make for great trip. It is the day
on the water, and the total experience. If I wanted fish to eat, I can buy
them all cleaned at the market for a lot less than I can catch them.
Probably buy them fixed into a nice dinner cheaper than I can catch them. A
former fishing partner from Harrisburg, PA was your way. If not a limit,
was not a good trip. Even if we saw river otters, and beaver in the
Sacramento Delta, the trip duccess depended on limits. Unfortunately
because of years and diabetes caused loss of a leg he no longer fishes. I
fished a lake friday. Kept one freshwater Coho Salmon as it was not going
to survive the unhooking process. Did taste good with fried potatoes.


Go back and read. Catching some fish *does* make a fishing trip more
enjoyable. I've enjoyed myself when I got skunked, but enjoyed the trip a
little more when I didn't.

If you have more fun not catching than you do catching, I'd say give up
fishing!
--
Red Herring

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:02:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Red Herring" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:13:32 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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No boat needed...just walk along the wide shoreline and pick them up out
of the mud, eh?

ROTF!!!!!!!


Word of the Day:

toady


Main Entry:
Pronunciation:
\?to--de-\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural toad·ies
Etymology:
by shortening & alteration from toadeater
Date:
1826

: one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors
--
Red Herring

Lighten up, was a funny comment.


That's dependant on your perspective. I thought not.
--
Red Herring

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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
Red Herring wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:01:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:25:51 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK
wrote:


They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch.
For reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the
colder, New England salt waters.
Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all
his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as
good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.
I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a
quarter
inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn
they're
good.
Speckled trout - pan fried in a corn meal batter.

MMMMMMM.......

Trout are getting damn hard to find in the bay. Unless you're Harry of
course. But I think they're the best eating of the fish out there. May
not
be the same trout you're talking about. Here they're also called
weakfish.
The hook will pull out of their mouth very easily.

The problem is that the bluefish find a school of Sea
Trout/Weakfish/Speckled Trout and when you are gently reeling in the Sea
Trout a damn bluefish will see it and make a dash towards it and take a
big old bite out of the middle of the Sea Trout and you are left with a
head on the hook if you are lucky.

Sea Trout are good eating fish.



Yes, they are. Sea trout and weakfish are not the same fish.

Weakfish are also called yellow mouth trout.


Where are they called yellow mouth trout?

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:41:20 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


We were in Boston in the late 80's and as we crossed one of the big
bridges, people were fishing from it, using a balloon to float the bait
out there. Always wondered what they were fishing for. Since we were
driving, could not stop and ask.

It could have been stripers, but then, it could have been about
anything. Balloons are a common rig in the NE. They are cheaper than
bobbers, provide less resistance to the live bait, and will break with a
fish on, leaving just the fish to fight.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:
Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!

That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic


It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish
without oil or, even worse, crisco.

No way.

--Vic

Asian Steamed fish. good with the ones that are the correct size for 2-4
people. In a Wok or deep skillet, a little oil, ginger and garlic. Heat
oil and sear fish on both sides and then add some wine, and a few green
onions, and cover cook until flaky.



Maybe some black bean sauce.....yum city.


Nope.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:36:33 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:25:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


I've fished for a lot of different species in a lot of different
waters, and striper fishing rates right up there with some of the
best.
Which ones? Lots of different "stripers."
There's a "striper" here in the lakes of Illinois that some call
white
bass. Caught a lot of them, but they don't bet much bigger than a
nice crappie.
Then I've heard of hybrids in the impoundments out west that are
supposed to be good fighters, and get pretty big.
Ocean stripers too. I'm confused now.
http://www.alltackle.com/striped_bass_catch.htm
Hoo-eeee! Now that looks like fun.
And tells me they call them rockfish too.
Morons who fish the Chesapeake call them rockfish and the lefties on
the West coast do the same. :)

Are they good eating?
Very good - similar to other white fish flesh taken from the ocean
like flounder, haddock, pollock, etc.

Only heard of them called Stripers (sometimes spelled Strippers) here on
the west coast. Rockfish are a completely different fish. All the fish
here are of the "Groundfish complex" as the fisheries managers call them.
Most of them are Sebastes genus. Also known as codfish here.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishid2007.pdf



Locals who live on and fish the Bay call them rockfish. It seems to be a
mostly Maryland-Delaware-Virginia name for striped bass. As you point it,
it is not the same critter as your west coast rockfish.

As a Yankee, I was introduced to striped bass as stripers. It wasn't until
I was in my 20's that I caught up with a stripper.

You led a sheltered life. Friend of the family and a buddy of mines dad
owned a strip club. So at about 12 years old I got to see the twin twirling
tassels.

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"Red Herring" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:30:08 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Red Herring" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:59:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

Gear that heavy is used to ensure that the fish has a better than good
chance to get in the boat. It's all about word of mouth advertising and
repeat customers. Some of the better captains have moved to Virginia
Beach for the spring and summer and in the fall they follow the fish
down to Florida.

That's a good point.

I preferred to give clients a quality all-round experience. As a
rule, I never had complaints and 90% retention rate for clients when I
was really active in the business.

You'd be surprised at how successful a trip can be without having a
stellar day fishing. I loved to get the clients involved in the whole
process - even to the point of letting them have a turn at the wheel
when conditions warranted.

Show 'em how to do stuff, different ways of rigging, sea stories (my
Mako story was a favorite told many times) - I looked at it as a total
experience, not just catching fish.

Most of us aren't messing with clients, but friends. A fishing trip is
successful anytime. It's even *more* successful if the folks catch their
limit of fish.
--
Red Herring

Catching and keeping a limit, does not make for great trip. It is the day
on the water, and the total experience. If I wanted fish to eat, I can
buy
them all cleaned at the market for a lot less than I can catch them.
Probably buy them fixed into a nice dinner cheaper than I can catch them.
A
former fishing partner from Harrisburg, PA was your way. If not a limit,
was not a good trip. Even if we saw river otters, and beaver in the
Sacramento Delta, the trip duccess depended on limits. Unfortunately
because of years and diabetes caused loss of a leg he no longer fishes. I
fished a lake friday. Kept one freshwater Coho Salmon as it was not going
to survive the unhooking process. Did taste good with fried potatoes.


Go back and read. Catching some fish *does* make a fishing trip more
enjoyable. I've enjoyed myself when I got skunked, but enjoyed the trip a
little more when I didn't.

If you have more fun not catching than you do catching, I'd say give up
fishing!
--
Red Herring

I disagree. You said catch a limit. That infers you took home a limit.

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On Jan 20, 5:22 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:37:53 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

No Bluefish out here. You will get salmon in the feeding frenzy at times.
Which is always a nice suprize.

Really - that's very cool.

From what I have seen on video, probably a similar experience from
bluefish boil, to salmon frenzy.. The fish seem to have a similar cut,
probably act similar on the line, except for the different
environments..

Not really. Certain times of the year the anchovie shools will be shallow
and the stripers will pin them against the surf line and since the salmon
are also in the area and love anchovies also, they dine also. I do not
think I have ever seen an open water striper feeding frenzy at the surface.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Jan 20, 2:44 pm, wrote:
On Jan 20, 2:37 pm, Vic Smith wrote:





On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:05:31 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
Yeah, you've bought into the idiotic notion that catfish are somehow
not clean. Must be hell to not be able to read and learn on your
own.
Here, learn something, or at least try:
Habitat - Most common in big rivers and streams. Prefers some
current,
and deep water with sand, gravel or rubble bottoms. Channel catfish
also inhabit lakes, reservoirs and ponds.
Feeding Habits - Feeds primarily at night using taste buds in the
sensitive barbels and throughout the skin to locate prey. Although
they normally feed on the bottom, channels also will feed at the
surface and at mid-depth. Major foods are aquatic insects, crayfish,
mollusks, crustaceans and fishes. Small channels consume
invertebrates, but larger ones may eat fish. Contrary to popular
belief, carrion is not their normal food.
Eating Quality - Considered one of the best-eating freshwater fish.
The meat is white, tender and sweet when taken from clean water.
Mt uncle was a caterfisherman here before he moved to Florida.
He could make a fishhead talk, blink and curl it's lip like Elvis.
I really miss him. I ate a lot of catfish. Uncle would bring a
couple hundred pounds of catfish and carp he had caught during the
week and kept caged into a black Chicago neighborhood, where
he would barter the smoking of what he wanted to eat and some beer
money for the remainder. I'm sure he ate some carp, but it was never
a big deal. Can't say i ever had it.
People who grew up or lived through hard times wouldn't get all
high-brow about disdaining carp.
OTOH, with pollution it doesn't hurt to be aware of what some fish
might be harboring, like mercury, other heavy metals PCB's, etc.
I don't trust that salmon my wife brings home sometimes from the
store, and told her not to buy it anymore. It don't taste right.
Pretty much off fish unless I catch it myself from waters I deem
acceptable. A neighbor insisted I take a big Coho he caught on Lake
Michigan about 15 years ago, even when I told him flat out I'd bury
it
in the garden. He didn't want the damn thing either, and he didn't
have a garden.
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People like JimH will eat fish out of the great lakes that are so
chemical laden that if you light a match next to one, it will ignite,
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Loogie you jerk! Ten frekin' minutes to gametime and I got to go to
Stop and **** and get some catfish, make some deep fried poppers..
yum...

Gametime? Cripes, am I missing yet another StuporBowel?

Nope, it's not until primary election day.

Is Y.A. Tittle starting?

Nope, he is selling insurance.