On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:54:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.



Bertie is one of those modern Republican Christian conservatives. You
know, "I've got mine, so screw you."
A real disciple of Jesus, eh?

He did ask some pretty relevant questions that you might answer:

Do you really want to start the personal attacks again Krause? Or, are
you happy being the laughing stock of the newsgroup?

I have never lied about my education. Can you say truthfully that you
have never lied about your education?

I have never lied about my employment record. Can you say truthfully
that you never lied about your employment record?

I have never lied about personal accomplishments. Can you say truthfully
that you have never lied about your personal accomplishments?

Maybe one of your two buddies would answer them *for* you!
--
John H

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
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On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
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Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.




My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. He paid a lot for that
"free" care.

wrote:
On Jan 3, 4:52 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
BAR wrote:
You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)
I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.
We could use Hell's Angles, the same as the Rolling Stones did at
Altmount, they are cheaper and might be willing to work for tips.

Deep Purple used them once at Colt Park and some guy climbed over the
fence. They beat the living **** out of the guy, teeth all over the
place, left him sitting inside the fence, told him he had paid fair
admission. What a frekin' bloody mess the guy was. Not hearsay, I saw
the whole thing from about 20 yards....

That is one way to increase the hospitals business.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

If it were up to them, all air would look like Los Angeles', the water
would resemble Love Canal in the 70s and we'd be ingesting carcinogens
with every bite.

I guess you are taking your show on the road to modern China next week.
There may still be time to clean up Bejing's environment prior to the
Summer Olympics.

Business and industry should always be left to profit unfettered for
those who believe in the sanctity of life -- that is right up until
you're born. Then you'd bloody well better be prepared to pull
yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your portion of our
national debt, currently estimated at $40K/person at the time of
birth.

Keep Congress out of session for two years and that will clear up.

That's debt to pay not for health care, it's to pay for bombs, an
under-valued military and tax breaks for business and the rich.

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

Hell, the conservatives don't even want to give health care to the
thousands of kids who come home maimed from our oil wars.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.


Conservatives - there's little about them that is.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

BAR wrote:




Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.



We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.



Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.



There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

So those people who consider themselves Christians and Conservative are
inbred and stupid. I didn't realize that.

I really don't label myself either, so I must be well bred and
intelligent.

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!