On Jan 4, 8:21*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

That's either a huge lie or Atlanta is different than the rest of the US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, **** Boy, show me where I'm wrong..........

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:55:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".
Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Because he's saying he paid.

How much?
You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll
pay you with.

Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend
- for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy!

That's nice loog. You'll fit right in with Hary and Doug.
--
John H

On Jan 5, 11:04*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:55:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".
Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Because he's saying he paid.

How much?
You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll
pay you with.

Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend
- for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy!

That's nice loog. You'll fit right in with Hary and Doug.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is what he is.

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:40:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 5, 11:04*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:55:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".
Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Because he's saying he paid.

How much?
You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll
pay you with.

Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend
- for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy!

That's nice loog. You'll fit right in with Hary and Doug.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He is what he is.

Yes, Harry is. I would think you could find someone more appropriate to
emulate.
--
John H

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:28 pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".
Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Because he's saying he paid.
How much?
You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll
pay you with.
Is that what your calling it now, Sally? I thought it was for a friend
- for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy!

Right back at ya, Rec.boats.potfarmer!

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:21 pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
That's either a huge lie or Atlanta is different than the rest of the US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, **** Boy, show me where I'm wrong..........

Maybe your not wrong. I came "very close to dying" on the way to my
office every day in the last ten years. It's relative, I guess, Sally.

No need for the insults. Those are for children.

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:40:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 5, 11:04 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:55:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:28 pm, Dan wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".
Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Because he's saying he paid.
How much?
You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll
pay you with.
Is that what your calling it now, Sally? I thought it was for a friend
- for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy!
That's nice loog. You'll fit right in with Hary and Doug.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
He is what he is.

Yes, Harry is. I would think you could find someone more appropriate to
emulate.

She tries hard, John. Got to give her credit for that.

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:24:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

And dumb as freakin' stumps it appears.

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:20:20 -0500, HK wrote:

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:50:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.
That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.


You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.

Harry is a bigot and a racist. He's the worst of the intolerant
liberal trash in this NG.


The essence of "conservative" Christianity:

" However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country."


Translated:

I got mine. Screw you.

I'm really enjoying Huckabee getting so much attention. It's ripping
the Republicans apart. Unfortunately, Mike is a real Christian who
believes we should do something to eleviate the poor's suffering.

Ouch.

That doesn't match up with the "Christians" TM who wonder who are
certain Jesus would approve of using taxpayer revenues to kill radical
Muslims and a few hundred thousand bystanders while the poor in our
county receive substandard education and a good kick in the teeth, the
damage from which they can pay for themselves.

Christians TM, pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:22:42 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:24:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

And dumb as freakin' stumps it appears.

It's so wonderful to have you back. Harry, Doug, and Loogy missed you
tremendously.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."