wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:46:13 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.


Unless, of course they don't have insurance, in which case they may be
transferred to another hospital that is willing to take them, or
simply put in a cab and dumped off on a street corner.

Do you pay for the food you eat?

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

"It's just Harry."

Where have I heard that?
--
John H

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================
Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.




That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.





Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....



Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in
this country, including people in your circumstances?

My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life
must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the
right thing by its citizens?

Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative
Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not*
a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good
medical care for those without the need to pay for it.

I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm
not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than
you and your ilk are. I think anyone in this country who is ill should
have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if
they cannot pay for it.

I'm sorry for your problems.






--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...


Ahh...Christian conservatism at its best.

Nobody is forcing you to stay here in the USA. If you like some other
country's social welfare net then you are free to emigrate to that
country if they will let you in.



More compassionate Christianity.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to
death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is
rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if
needed to save the life.



That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and
in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens
to you? You die.


And?



Compassionate Conservative Christianity at its best.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:10:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ...

My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that
"free" care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay?

Here are some of the diseases associated with Agent Orange, Loogy.

Chloracne
Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Soft tissue sarcoma
Hodgkin's Disease
Porphyria Cutanea Tarda (PCT)
Multiple Myeloma
Respiratory cancers
(including cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea and bronchus)
Prostate cancer
Peripheral neuorapthy
(acute or subacute)
Type 2 Diabetes (Diabetes mellitus)

Me, I'm right on the borderline for several of these, although I'm
receiving nothing from VA for any of them...yet.

I really think the best thing you could do for your attitude is visit a VA
hospital and just walk around for an hour. Have a cup of coffee in the
cafeteria. I'll buy.

You're starting to sound like Harry with this stuff. You sure as hell don't
want to sink to that low.
--
John H

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a
week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================
Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to
death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed
right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the
life.




That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.





Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....



Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in
this country, including people in your circumstances?

My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life
must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the
right thing by its citizens?

Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative
Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not*
a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good
medical care for those without the need to pay for it.


"...without the ability to pay for it."



I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm
not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than
you and your ilk are. I think anyone in this country who is ill should
have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if
they cannot pay for it.

I'm sorry for your problems.








--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:16:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

I find it hard to believe that Jim's friend didn't receive any pain killers
when he went to the emergency room.

A week for an MRI and another couple days for an orthopedic surgeon is
nothing. A couple months for each would be the story in many places, *if*
he was lucky.

You were either not close to dying, or you were quickly stabilized in the
emergency room. *Or*, which may be possible, you had a potful of illegal
immigrants clogging up the whole show.

You guys complain of waits of hours or days. Imagine waits of months and
more months, and then flying to another country to get yourself fixed.
--
John H

On Jan 4, 9:19*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================
Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.
That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.
Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....

Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in
this country, including people in your circumstances?

No, I just don't think you should pay for my bad decisions..


My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life
must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the
right thing by its citizens?

No, everything you say here is enough...


Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative
Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not*
a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good
medical care for those without the need to pay for it.

I am a bad christian, a liberatarian, and never claimed to be
compassionate either. You are bound by nothing more than ideology and
a hatred for anyone you perceive as more successful than you, and you
don't even know what success is...

I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm
not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than
you and your ilk are.

I do not preach to anyone, never have, I have a testimony and folks
are aware of that, I am proud of it. But I don't push it on anyone,
not even my own family, that is up to them. And you are not
compassionate, you are contrived...

I think anyone in this country who is ill should
have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if
they cannot pay for it.

In some cases where folks had no choice, but I brought this on
myself.. Although, I must admit, I would probably not trade a minute
of it


I'm sorry for your problems.

Thank you, me too...


--
Billary, the most sold out Whitehouse in history...

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:19:53 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================
Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.




That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.





Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....



Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in
this country, including people in your circumstances?

My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life
must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the
right thing by its citizens?

Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative
Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not*
a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good
medical care for those without the need to pay for it.

I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm
not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than
you and your ilk are. I think anyone in this country who is ill should
have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if
they cannot pay for it.

I'm sorry for your problems.

Harry, you are made what you are by your lies, your better-than-anyone
attitude, and your sickening mouth.
--
John H