HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.



You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

We aren't interested in being pulled into a failed socialized,
progressive for you Chuck, system of government. We have seen the
dehumanizing that it does and we don't want any part of it.

On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ...





D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number.."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. *The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. *I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. *The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.

My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that
"free" care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay?

On Jan 4, 7:50*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

You are so clueless it is unreal. *You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. *It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry is the most intolerant and bigoted redneck in the group, On the
other hand I think there are plenty of liberals that would love to
have such an easy puppy to train...

On Jan 3, 2:07*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because he's saying he paid.

On Jan 3, 2:39*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:51:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:50*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42*am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27*am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

How many body parts does it take to be 'tangible'?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's exactly what I'm asking.

On Jan 3, 4:11*pm, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:40*am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 9:41*am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th..
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem we have with global warming. We have evidence on our side
that it is a phony scheme... Notably, the earth not getting warmer...
On your side, all you have is loug rhetoric with no physical facts
(except fudged ones) to back up your tax scheme...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me specific, end all evidence with supporting data that clearly
shows global warming to be a "phony scheme".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go see Al Gore's movie with a neutral fact checker...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice try.

On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

On Jan 4, 8:10*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:





"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ...

D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. *The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. *I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. *The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.

My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that
"free" care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Generaly 3-6 years of his life IIRC... The problem here is liberals
like you and Harry (and most others) don't understand or respect
selfless sacrifice. Not seeing an immediate advantage, they are just
not interested in helping other folks unless it is directly profitable
for them It is the way of the Clintons, the modern democratic party..
and I do mean parrty...

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on
a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn.
Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

We aren't interested in being pulled into a failed socialized,
progressive for you Chuck, system of government. We have seen the
dehumanizing that it does and we don't want any part of it.



"...for you Chuck, system..."

Try again in English.

As far as "dehumanizing," you could be the poster boy for that movement.