On Jan 4, 8:16*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:50:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.
That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.


You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.

Harry is a bigot and a racist. He's the worst of the intolerant
liberal trash in this NG.


The essence of "conservative" Christianity:

" However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country."


Translated:

I got mine. Screw you.

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...


Ahh...Christian conservatism at its best.

On Jan 4, 8:46*am, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
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Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.- Hide quoted text -

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I know.. I walked into an emergency room once with flutters in my
chest.. I was on an EKG in probably 45 seconds.. and I have no
insurance at the time...

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On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.

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Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
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Because he's saying he paid.

You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.




That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Jan 4, 8:50*am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.

That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...


Ahh...Christian conservatism at its best.

Nobody is forcing you to stay here in the USA. If you like some other
country's social welfare net then you are free to emigrate to that
country if they will let you in.

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On Jan 4, 8:46 am, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.
So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know.. I walked into an emergency room once with flutters in my
chest.. I was on an EKG in probably 45 seconds.. and I have no
insurance at the time...

If you are over 35, are male and complain of any type of chest pain you
move to the head of the line in any emergency room, except for people
with arterial lacerations.

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to
death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is
rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed
to save the life.



That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.


And?