On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:49:53 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 3, 11:30*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:40:32 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:41*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem we have with global warming. We have evidence on our side
that it is a phony scheme... Notably, the earth not getting warmer...
On your side, all you have is loug rhetoric with no physical facts
(except fudged ones) to back up your tax scheme...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me specific, end all evidence with supporting data that clearly
shows global warming to be a "phony scheme".

What more could you want. Remember also, that all but one of the Democrats
left the Senate Global Warming hearings for the second half of the
hearings. Even *they* must think it's a fake.

http://www.climatecrisis.net/

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because someone leaves a venue that automatically means they think
whatever's going on in there is fake?

OK.
--
John H

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:48:34 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 3, 11:32*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:42:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:27*am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.

They all paid, Loogy.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go giving that bull about because you served, blah blah......
It's as "socialized" and "socialized medicine" can get.

No. You're wrong. They paid. You can call it 'bull', but that doesn't
change the fact.

The free care I get at a VA hospital is because of service connected
disabilities, part of which are evidenced by a Purple Heart. If I didn't
have service connected disabilities, I would pay when I went to a VA
hospital.
--
John H

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On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

D.Duck wrote:
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...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?



If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. The same way most large companies
include a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. I
really don't know the details of the military plan, but if you retired
from the military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation
package everyone agreed to. The tangible part is the salary you
deferred to cover the cost of your healthcare.

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:51:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:50*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42*am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:27*am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

How many body parts does it take to be 'tangible'?
--
John H

On Jan 3, 11:33*am, John H. wrote:

They already paid with their service....

D.F. Luddite.

Said by one who says he's been there and done that.
--
John H

I expected that. Secularist with no moral core, does not understand
service to other than self...

On Jan 3, 2:07*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Service to others does not need to be tangible in dollars. Look at the
time I spend raising my kids, what dollar value do you put on that?

On Jan 3, 10:40*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:41*am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem we have with global warming. We have evidence on our side
that it is a phony scheme... Notably, the earth not getting warmer...
On your side, all you have is loug rhetoric with no physical facts
(except fudged ones) to back up your tax scheme...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me specific, end all evidence with supporting data that clearly
shows global warming to be a "phony scheme".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go see Al Gore's movie with a neutral fact checker...

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On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Service to others does not need to be tangible in dollars. Look at the
time I spend raising my kids, what dollar value do you put on that?

I seems like my reply was monged. The only part I added was:

"Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?"

The other part was from Picker.

On Jan 3, 4:12*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:





wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Service to others does not need to be tangible in dollars. Look at the
time I spend raising my kids, what dollar value do you put on that?

I seems like my reply was monged. *The only part I added was:

"Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?"

The other part was from Picker.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, my reply was to loogie..