On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:25:00 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.

Some don't care, especially if they have to pay for it. Of my seven,
only one has an Ipod. She paid for it after she found her whining
about how she just "had" to have it meant just that.
Wife was bugging me about buying one son an MP3 player.
I looked around on the net and couldn't make heads or tails about
what to buy. Finally told her to shut up, give him a hundred bucks
and let him buy it himself, since he would know what he wanted.
A couple days later we found he already had what he wanted.
A 1 gig thing he got from Newegg for $12.95. Doubles as a thumb
drive, plugs into his car stereo, blah, blah.

My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 + taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic


They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. In interviews, lots
of musicians complain that they go to the trouble to create albums, not just
individual songs. Some kids never get to hear the albums. And, they never
see liner notes, which can lead to new musical discoveries. Buy an album,
and find that maybe it's got Victor Wooten on bass. Buy a Victor Wooten
album, and discover a drummer you like. Buy his album, and find a guitarist
you never heard of. Pretty soon, you're broke, but you have lots of great
music.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:02:18 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic


They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. In interviews, lots
of musicians complain that they go to the trouble to create albums, not just
individual songs. Some kids never get to hear the albums. And, they never
see liner notes, which can lead to new musical discoveries. Buy an album,
and find that maybe it's got Victor Wooten on bass. Buy a Victor Wooten
album, and discover a drummer you like. Buy his album, and find a guitarist
you never heard of. Pretty soon, you're broke, but you have lots of great
music.

Dunkin' Donuts had the same effect on fine pastries.
Whatcha gonna do?
I'll be sure to tell my kids what you said, and they'll probably say
they can find the liner notes on the web if they're interested.
Or that they don't care about liner notes.
You musicians have to look out for yourself and get people arrested
and tossed in jail for stealing music. It's a dog eat dog digital
world.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:02:18 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic


They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. In interviews, lots
of musicians complain that they go to the trouble to create albums, not
just
individual songs. Some kids never get to hear the albums. And, they never
see liner notes, which can lead to new musical discoveries. Buy an album,
and find that maybe it's got Victor Wooten on bass. Buy a Victor Wooten
album, and discover a drummer you like. Buy his album, and find a
guitarist
you never heard of. Pretty soon, you're broke, but you have lots of great
music.

Dunkin' Donuts had the same effect on fine pastries.
Whatcha gonna do?
I'll be sure to tell my kids what you said, and they'll probably say
they can find the liner notes on the web if they're interested.
Or that they don't care about liner notes.
You musicians have to look out for yourself and get people arrested
and tossed in jail for stealing music. It's a dog eat dog digital
world.

--Vic


Actually, if you read past the headlines, you'll find that the majority of
musicians are not pleased with the legal nonsense perpetrated by the big
record labels.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:22:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Actually, if you read past the headlines, you'll find that the majority of
musicians are not pleased with the legal nonsense perpetrated by the big
record labels.

Yeah, but that's a different issue. I'm all for artists getting paid
for their work. It's not just kids who think anything digital should
be free. I worked with a guy - highly paid, outwardly high morals -
who could not understand how using ??? - I forgot, but it was the big
peer to peer that soon thereafter got outlawed - was stealing.
He was more in love with technology than I, and he just about blew his
top when I said most internet use was for porn. That was fun.

--Vic

On Dec 19, 2:43 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Dec 19, 2:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...t_detail&iprod...

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...or-iPod-Silver...

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these
toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's
a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if
this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music
to
an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from CDs
for
the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at least
he's
not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening with
earbuds,
which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a set of nice
Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not interested.

He's always right, ya know?- Hide quoted text -

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How can he be always right? My 8 year old son and 12 year old daughter
are both always right. So if three people are always right, that means
they'd have to agree on everything, and that's impossible. My two
can't even agree on what to have for supper!

As of August, my son said Dave Brubeck was a snore. Last week, he said Dave
Brubeck was god. It's amazing how much Brubeck changed since August.- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, enlightenment!

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:22:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Actually, if you read past the headlines, you'll find that the majority of
musicians are not pleased with the legal nonsense perpetrated by the big
record labels.

Yeah, but that's a different issue. I'm all for artists getting paid
for their work. It's not just kids who think anything digital should
be free. I worked with a guy - highly paid, outwardly high morals -
who could not understand how using ??? - I forgot, but it was the big
peer to peer that soon thereafter got outlawed - was stealing.
He was more in love with technology than I, and he just about blew his
top when I said most internet use was for porn. That was fun.

--Vic


If he was using Kazaa, chances are good that he paid even when he didn't
think he was paying. So many people's computers were turned useless by
Kazaa's spyware, and required reformatting/OS reinstall. Lots of geeks made
money doing that for customers.

On Dec 19, 3:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...

My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic

They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. In interviews, lots
of musicians complain that they go to the trouble to create albums, not just
individual songs. Some kids never get to hear the albums. And, they never
see liner notes, which can lead to new musical discoveries. Buy an album,
and find that maybe it's got Victor Wooten on bass. Buy a Victor Wooten
album, and discover a drummer you like. Buy his album, and find a guitarist
you never heard of. Pretty soon, you're broke, but you have lots of great
music.

Exactly! I like having the liner notes from CD's. I'm sometimes amazed
at who has played on certain songs with the lead artist, who produced,
etc.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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As of August, my son said Dave Brubeck was a snore. Last week, he said
Dave Brubeck was god. It's amazing how much Brubeck changed since August.


(Chuckle)


Eisboch

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:41:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


If he was using Kazaa, chances are good that he paid even when he didn't
think he was paying. So many people's computers were turned useless by
Kazaa's spyware, and required reformatting/OS reinstall. Lots of geeks made
money doing that for customers.

Yeah, that's the one. My son was home then, and put it on my
computer, which was the only one in the house. Being a geek, I fixed
it myself with no reinstall. And he got his first computer.

--Vic