On Dec 19, 2:43 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Dec 19, 2:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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Like this:
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or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...or-iPod-Silver...

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these
toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's
a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if
this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music
to
an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from CDs
for
the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at least
he's
not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening with
earbuds,
which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a set of nice
Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not interested.

He's always right, ya know?- Hide quoted text -

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How can he be always right? My 8 year old son and 12 year old daughter
are both always right. So if three people are always right, that means
they'd have to agree on everything, and that's impossible. My two
can't even agree on what to have for supper!

As of August, my son said Dave Brubeck was a snore. Last week, he said Dave
Brubeck was god. It's amazing how much Brubeck changed since August.- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, enlightenment!

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As of August, my son said Dave Brubeck was a snore. Last week, he said
Dave Brubeck was god. It's amazing how much Brubeck changed since August.


(Chuckle)


Eisboch

Without any compression? Are you sure about that. Cause the lossless
formats only achieve about a 70% reduction in file size so you get around 2
cds or so per gig. Default ripping with itunes uses the apple acc
compression which is a lossy algorythm. Mp3 is also lossy.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.



If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music to
an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from CDs
for the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at least
he's not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening with
earbuds, which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a set of
nice Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not interested.

He's always right, ya know?

jamesgangnc wrote:
Without any compression? Are you sure about that. Cause the lossless
formats only achieve about a 70% reduction in file size so you get around 2
cds or so per gig. Default ripping with itunes uses the apple acc
compression which is a lossy algorythm. Mp3 is also lossy.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.
The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.


If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music to
an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from CDs
for the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at least
he's not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening with
earbuds, which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a set of
nice Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not interested.

He's always right, ya know?





MP4 320 kbps

Still lossy. I haven't found anyone that could really tell the difference
though. The problem comes in when you want to switch formats from one lossy
to another lossy. That's why it's always better to go back to the original
uncompressed source. Also why I very seldom buy music off itunes, because
then you never get a copy of the uncompressed song.

"HK" wrote in message
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jamesgangnc wrote:
Without any compression? Are you sure about that. Cause the lossless
formats only achieve about a 70% reduction in file size so you get around
2 cds or so per gig. Default ripping with itunes uses the apple acc
compression which is a lossy algorythm. Mp3 is also lossy.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these
toys. Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I
think it's a mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo
system, even if this means getting rid of his roommate to make space
in the dorm room. The prince doesn't agree.
The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down
$400.00 + taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.


If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music
to an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from
CDs for the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at
least he's not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening
with earbuds, which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a
set of nice Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not
interested.

He's always right, ya know?





MP4 320 kbps

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's
a mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if
this means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room.
The prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00
+ taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.



If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music
to an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from
CDs for the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at
least he's not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening
with earbuds, which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a
set of nice Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not
interested.

He's always right, ya know?


Without any compression? Are you sure about that. Cause the lossless
formats only achieve about a 70% reduction in file size so you get around
2 cds or so per gig. Default ripping with itunes uses the apple acc
compression which is a lossy algorythm. Mp3 is also lossy.



That's why I included the words "that he's applied". Although we have
different purposes in mind when we rip a CD, we both begin use Windows Media
Player as our starting point, with options set to do the least damage to the
files. Even if it's doing a little compression in that process, my ears
still tell me the results are better than some of what he downloads or
shares with friends.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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That's why I included the words "that he's applied". Although we have
different purposes in mind when we rip a CD, we both begin use Windows
Media Player as our starting point, with options set to do the least
damage to the files. Even if it's doing a little compression in that
process, my ears still tell me the results are better than some of what he
downloads or shares with friends.


I recently set up a music system using a pair of SL3 Martin-Logan's that
have been stored away since we moved into this house because I didn't have a
good room to set them up properly in. I decided to do the surround thing as
well and bought a new Denon receiver/amp, some Mirage surrounds and, believe
it or not, a decent sounding Bose center channel speaker.

Immediately ran into the problem I discovered the last time I used these
speakers. Many of the CDs that sound ok on a couple of other systems we
have using conventional speaker drivers sound terrible on the
electrostatics. But, the "good" ones sound spectacular, showing off the
acoustically transparent nature of this type of speaker.

Then, to my surprise, I found a royalty free, MP3 version Sousa's "Stars
and Stripes Forever" somewhere on the 'net. It was reported to be a high
quality file, recorded at a higher than normal bit rate, (don't remember
what it was). Anyway, I burned it to a CD and it sounds excellent. Lots
of dynamic range and you can clearly hear every instrument being played.
In terms of fidelity, it's better than half the commercially produced CDs I
have.

Eisboch

The itunes acc format is actually considered to be better at the same rate
than mp3. Mp3 is pretty old now.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these
toys. Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I
think it's a mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo
system, even if this means getting rid of his roommate to make space
in the dorm room. The prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.
My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model
this Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down
$400.00 + taxes for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.



If we eliminate HD radio from the discussion for the moment, an iPod is
probably no worse than listening to FM radio, which munges up the music
to an extent. My son's at least using music files pulled directly from
CDs for the most part, without any compression that he's applied. So, at
least he's not at the mercy of radio stations. But then, he's listening
with earbuds, which suck, according to my ears. I offered to get him a
set of nice Sennheiser 400-series open air headphones, but he's not
interested.

He's always right, ya know?


Without any compression? Are you sure about that. Cause the lossless
formats only achieve about a 70% reduction in file size so you get around
2 cds or so per gig. Default ripping with itunes uses the apple acc
compression which is a lossy algorythm. Mp3 is also lossy.



That's why I included the words "that he's applied". Although we have
different purposes in mind when we rip a CD, we both begin use Windows
Media Player as our starting point, with options set to do the least
damage to the files. Even if it's doing a little compression in that
process, my ears still tell me the results are better than some of what he
downloads or shares with friends.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:25:00 -0400, "Don White"
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Like this:
http://www.alteclansing.com/index.ph...iproduct_id=64

or:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iHome...oductDetail.do

The heir to my fortune and empire is apparently enamored of these toys.
Interested in feedback if you've got something like this. I think it's a
mistake and that a guy should have an actual stereo system, even if this
means getting rid of his roommate to make space in the dorm room. The
prince doesn't agree.

The 'kids' are hoked on the iPods or reasonable facimilie.
No point fighting it.

Some don't care, especially if they have to pay for it. Of my seven,
only one has an Ipod. She paid for it after she found her whining
about how she just "had" to have it meant just that.
Wife was bugging me about buying one son an MP3 player.
I looked around on the net and couldn't make heads or tails about
what to buy. Finally told her to shut up, give him a hundred bucks
and let him buy it himself, since he would know what he wanted.
A couple days later we found he already had what he wanted.
A 1 gig thing he got from Newegg for $12.95. Doubles as a thumb
drive, plugs into his car stereo, blah, blah.

My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 + taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic

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My son has had one for a couple of years , and asked for a new model this
Christmas. Of course his mom ran right out and plopped down $400.00 +
taxes
for it.
It was a lot cheaper back in the days of the old 45s.

Not sure about that. Most of the music kids have is pirated stuff.

--Vic


They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. In interviews, lots
of musicians complain that they go to the trouble to create albums, not just
individual songs. Some kids never get to hear the albums. And, they never
see liner notes, which can lead to new musical discoveries. Buy an album,
and find that maybe it's got Victor Wooten on bass. Buy a Victor Wooten
album, and discover a drummer you like. Buy his album, and find a guitarist
you never heard of. Pretty soon, you're broke, but you have lots of great
music.