JimH wrote:


The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your
internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the
voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through
India.

You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the
VOIP market at competitive prices.

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a
few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see
the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end
(they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -
I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your
internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the
voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through
India.




A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable
services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly
densely populated 'hood.

On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for
a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to
see the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their
end (they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either

Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP.

It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or
download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between
my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP.
Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:03:12 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


I actually enjoyed being without a home phone as we have cell phones. The
only reason we have a house phone is Mrs.H.

Same here. She calls overseas using a card. Cell charges don't work
well with cards.

--Vic

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:45:16 -0500, HK wrote:


A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable
services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly
densely populated 'hood.

I liked having copper wire. When Comcast cable goes out I lose
phone/TV/net. In my entire life I never lost copper wire phone,
though
I know it happens.

--Vic

On Dec 6, 11:59 am, wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"





wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for
a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to
see the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their
end (they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either

Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP.

It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or
download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between
my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP.
Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe you can't tell, but others probably can at times. One or two
calls don't make it fact, some days are better than otheres. Me, I can
usually tell and you can take the chance if you want, but if you do
business on VOIP, or cell even, I have little time to give you my
money...

wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:59 am, wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:21 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"





wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for
a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to
see the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their
end (they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either
Sadly, it usually is easy to tell when the caller is using VOIP.
It is only a problem if they are limited on broadband upload and/or
download. On Comcast, there is not difference on either end.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree, I know for a FACT that you can't tell the difference between
my hardwire line and VOIP. I tried it, didn't tell anybody I got VOIP.
Hell, my hardline from AT&T ALWAYS had static.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe you can't tell, but others probably can at times. One or two
calls don't make it fact, some days are better than otheres. Me, I can
usually tell and you can take the chance if you want, but if you do
business on VOIP, or cell even, I have little time to give you my
money...



Well, I'm not going to get into a posting marathon with Loggy, but I
think it funny that he claims "for a fACT" that one cannot tell the
difference between a hardwired line and a VOIP line because "he tried it."

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a
few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see
the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their end
(they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -
I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of your
internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks) then the
voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through
India.


You want US tech support then double what you pay for Vonage service.

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market
at competitive prices.

Indeed.

I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options
available.

In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.

Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.

Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell phone?

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 10:48 am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message
...
The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for
a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and
BellSouth except
for the lower price and substantially more features offered by
Vonage.
Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to
see the
market place working.
I spent an afternoon of grief with Vonage yesterday trying to
resolve a
modem problem (no dial tone). It was eventually fixed on their
end (they
had to reconfigure a port) but only after dealing with 4 different
techs,
all of which were from India and hard to understand.
I haven't heard or seen a single reason to drop my hardwired phone
service for VOIP. Being an old-fashioned O.F., all I want from my home
phone is dial tone 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time and
if I
have a question, an English speaker providing the answers.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I am with you on this one. My partner has wanted to try VOIP, but I
have business peers who use it and it sucks. I consider any business
that uses VOIP over hardwire, cheap and unprofessional. I don't
wan,wan,wan,wan.wan.wan.wan.wan.t to,o,o,o,o,o,o,o, hear this ****
when I am talking to a business contact, and my clients never will
from me either

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks) then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through India.



A friend in Bal'mer is raving about the telco's new optical cable
services...but it'll be centuries before they get down to my lightly
densely populated 'hood.

My densely populated hood doesn't have FiOS yet either. Ninety percent
of the hood would switch to Verizon's cheaper "cable" and Internet if it
was offered.