HK wrote:
Scotty wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in
message
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On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there,
accept the risks
without whinning.
Huh? Is that how you operate?


Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real
boaters.




This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne.

*You're* talking about a "revealing" thread?

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many
times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly
a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the
litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake
in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is
manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.


Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even
when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?

Damn, you beat me to it!


I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for
the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay
and work the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the
word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the
wake is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.



Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem
for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat
wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually
isn't a significant problem, in my experience.

The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake.
While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have
never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large.
I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have
that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship.


Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?

None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the
Great Lakes to Key West.

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many
times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate
winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a
death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the
litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake
in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is
manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.


Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even
when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it
was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Do you see many container ships on Lake Lanier?



No I don't.

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many
times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly
a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the
litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake
in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is
manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.


Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even
when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?

Reggie has previously stated that he owns a house boat. I would guess he
cannot take wakes any larger than those produced by PWC.

Maybe that is why he spends all his boating time at the dock........you
know.......real boating hours. ;-)



No, you are incorrect. I said I spent the night on a houseboat, owned
by the marina owner. I never said I owned a houseboat.

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to
no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take
long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of
the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with
only moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that
the word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the
wake is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.


Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem
for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat
wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it
usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake.
While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have
never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as
large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater
would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship.

Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?

Damn, you beat me to it!

I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat.

Harry,
Now you did it, JimH is going to go from thinking I own a houseboat to
not owning any boat. You need to give him a score card so he can keep
up with the action.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy
knows that.

Who was talking about commercial traffic?

The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats,
party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships.

Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that
travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any
sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen
quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day
during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing
boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible
exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and
neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either.

This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with
the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the
acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of
sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy
knows that.
Who was talking about commercial traffic?
The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats,
party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships.

Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that
travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any
sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen
quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day
during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing
boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible
exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and
neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either.

This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with
the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the
acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of
sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information.

Can those container ships generate a rolling wake quiet as big as a
floating RV can?

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly
a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of
the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake
is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.


Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes.
Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?
None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the
Great Lakes to Key West.

Hmmm.

A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the
Atlantic.

So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie?



And how is that different than what I just said?

Wayne.B wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy
knows that.

Who was talking about commercial traffic?

The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats,
party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships.

Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that
travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any
sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen
quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day
during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing
boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible
exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and
neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either.

This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with
the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the
acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of
sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information.


For a commercial ship to travel at 20+ knots, they will have to be at "sea
speeds" which generally requires a 30-40 minute slow down period before
they can maneuver.....not hardly likely in the "Chessy" (not impossible,
just not likely).
The biggest problem will be the pressure wave they push ahead, the suction
they create to fill a void, and the backfill as they pass.
As with all things, it's important that the small boater be aware of the
possibilities and govern accordingly.....course, in the US where the so
called justice system has decided that everyone else (especially the deep
pockets of big business)is responsible for my irresponsibility, then... I
can go out, buy a boat, go out on the water and when I get a whole bunch of
people killed because I don't have a clue, then I'm guaranteed that some
lawyer will easily convince a jury of uninformed idiots that it was
everyone else's fault but mine, that those people were
killed................