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Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial
fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the
event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain,
an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait
boat now.

I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG
escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever
witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels
to SF bay.


Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for
other boat traffic is strictly enforced.

Eisboch

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Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial
fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the
event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain,
an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait
boat now.
I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG
escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever
witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels
to SF bay.


Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for
other boat traffic is strictly enforced.

Eisboch




Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats.

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Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial
fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on
the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub
captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's
driving a bait boat now.
I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG
escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever
witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore
channels to SF bay.


Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone
for other boat traffic is strictly enforced.

Eisboch


Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats.

I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution
is taken that it won't.
What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway?

Eisboch

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Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial
fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on
the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub
captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's
driving a bait boat now.
I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG
escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever
witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore
channels to SF bay.

Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone
for other boat traffic is strictly enforced.

Eisboch

Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats.

I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution
is taken that it won't.
What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway?

Eisboch




Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it
must have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys
River.

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Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats.

I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every
precaution is taken that it won't.
What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway?

Eisboch


Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it must
have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys River.

That's still a good sized boat to be capsized by a wake, even a sub's wake.
Musta been hell to pay.


Eisboch

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Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats.
I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every
precaution is taken that it won't.
What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway?

Eisboch

Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it must
have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys River.

That's still a good sized boat to be capsized by a wake, even a sub's wake.
Musta been hell to pay.


Eisboch




I recall there was a board that investigated, and then it disappeared
from the news. I also vaguely remember reading that the bow waves were
crashing over a seawall somewhere on the St. Marys River voyages.

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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to
no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take
long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of
the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with
only moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that
the word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the
wake is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.

Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem
for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat
wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it
usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake.
While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have
never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as
large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater
would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship.
Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?
None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from
the Great Lakes to Key West.
Hmmm.

A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast,
including the Atlantic.

So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie?


And how is that different than what I just said?

It may be possible, but give me a boating route from Lake Lanier to Key
West and the Great Lakes.

You have previously stated that you do not own a trailer for your
houseboat.
What world do you live in that one can only use one boat or only go
boating in your boat?


You have more than one boat Reggie? You previously stated that you boat
along the eastern shores of the Atlantic.




Does he trailer that mystery boat from Lake Lanier?

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What I find striking is his attitude of other boaters having to deal with
his wakes as he has the bigger boat. That alone speaks loudly of his
boating courtesies.

I see boaters like him all the time on Lake Erie. I end up giving them
the 1 finger salute.


Whoa.

Let's back up a bit.

Most of my boating experience has been on small boats .... to me meaning
28-30 feet or less.

That experience supports the fact that there are more "hot dog" weekend
warrior types in the small boat group that operate their boats in an
irresponsible manner than there are in the "big" boat category.

Sorry.

Eisboch

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HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to
no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take
long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side
of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries.
On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D
canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the
Elk with only moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that
the word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the
wake is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.

Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a
problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving
fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship
channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my
experience.
The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake.
While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have
never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as
large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater
would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship.
Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake
Lanier?
None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from
the Great Lakes to Key West.
Hmmm.

A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast,
including the Atlantic.

So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie?


And how is that different than what I just said?

It may be possible, but give me a boating route from Lake Lanier to Key
West and the Great Lakes.

You have previously stated that you do not own a trailer for your
houseboat.
What world do you live in that one can only use one boat or only go
boating in your boat?

You have more than one boat Reggie? You previously stated that you boat
along the eastern shores of the Atlantic.

Does he trailer that mystery boat from Lake Lanier?

He previously stated here that he does not have a trailer. He must have a
boat that converts to an airplane. ;-)




A flying boat!

Wish I were living along the Atlantic again, or closer to it than we are
now.

My wife is talking a bit about Hilton Head Island as a possible
retirement area. Gosh, *that* would break my heart.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:53 -0500, "Eisboch"
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Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for
other boat traffic is strictly enforced.

It's not uncommon to see them coming and going near the eastern end of
Long Island Sound without an escort. There's an exclusion zone near
Fishers Island which I presume is where they are suposed to surface.
They are a strange sight the first time you see one running at speed
with just the conning tower visible.