On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:08:10 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:53 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the rules of the
road
and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the guy with the
bigger boat owns the water.

Not true at all. I am saying that if you take a small boat onto open
water that you need to be able to deal with all of the hazzards out
there. Wakes are one of those hazzards and they travel a long way.
===========================

"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play."

Wayne B. 11-11-07

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"On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks
without whinning."

Wayne B. 11-12-07
=========================

Wayne is absoutely right. If you have no expectations of wake
avoidance in open water.

Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy
knows that.

" JimH" ask wrote in message
...


"Open water" can be near shore. It can also be in the
middle of Lake Erie.
Congested water? Heck, it sound like you are one of the
bozos who runs
close to a pack of boats anchored for fishing with having
no concern over
your wake. Hey, it they are out there they accept the
risk........eh?

In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the
rules of the road
and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the
guy with the
bigger boat owns the water.


I bet Wayne got picked on a lot when he was a kid.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:08:10 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:53 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the rules of the
road
and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the guy with the
bigger boat owns the water.
Not true at all. I am saying that if you take a small boat onto open
water that you need to be able to deal with all of the hazzards out
there. Wakes are one of those hazzards and they travel a long way.
===========================

"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play."
Wayne B. 11-11-07

===================

"On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks
without whinning."

Wayne B. 11-12-07
=========================
Wayne is absoutely right. If you have no expectations of wake
avoidance in open water.

Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy
knows that.

Who was talking about commercial traffic?

The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats,
party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships.

On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many
times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly
a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the
litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake
in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is
manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many
times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate
winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a
death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the
litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake
in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.



Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even
when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.

HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work
the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly
a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of
the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake
is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.



Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for
me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even
when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a
significant problem, in my experience.

The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and
work the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the
word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake
is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.



Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem
for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat
wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually
isn't a significant problem, in my experience.

The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.


Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:

When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake
speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the
wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and
work the way into the exposed tributaries.

On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal....
Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only
moderate winds.

A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage,
possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the
word of the litigation blasted through their community.

Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper
Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake
is manageable.

Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile.



Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem
for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat
wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually
isn't a significant problem, in my experience.

The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While
it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a
trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to
figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a
wake larger than a container ship.

Down in the lower bay, Point Lookout and south you see a container ship
coming and you know that the bow wave is going to be worst part, it
generates a big roller.

Don White wrote:
"Dan" intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.
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No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.

Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.
He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.
Down boy! Good puppy!

Didn't WayneB tell you to clam up in another thread?
It worked on JohnH and I was really hoping it would make you straighten up
and fly straight.



You're kidding, right? I'm beginning to think there is more than one
child in your house. Now go back to humping Harry's leg.

Eisboch wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down in
time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every side
channel because by the time they could see small boats in them going at
speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the small boat
fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW. Go fish
someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall not impede
traffic in a channel.

Wilbur Hubbard


At some point in the Carolinas (I think South, but can't remember for sure)
we came upon a large fleet of small jon boats, anchored and fishing, smack
in the middle of the channel and along it's shoreline. The guy ahead of us
in a trawler tried to get around them to the left and promptly ran aground.

After several minutes of deliberations, I started weaving my way between the
boats at idle speed on my 52' vessel. Despite this, we still got the one
finger salute from many of the boats along with references to certain parts
of one's anatomy.

Shuda waked them.

Eisboch



The "W" in ICW stands for waterway. By definition, it's a passage for
boats to travel. Fisherman have to understand that and yield to the
traffic. Of course some won't and their special salutes should be ignored.