Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:10:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

I have never understood the attaction to Gradys. I think they are
ugly myself fully recognizing that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.

Having said that, I also recognize that they are solid boats with a
great reputation (slightly overstated, but then what isn't?) and built
to last.

They are still ugly.

You haven't seen the metalflake, glittered grady? Just for guys like you.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:32:38 -0800, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?

I'll admit it right up front - I had my doubts about vacuum bagging
with foam core up and until I saw the process being done.

I'm convinced now that it's a pretty good method given the proper
materials in the manufacturing process. In my opinion, which matters
little I realize, it's a better method than the Ranger hand laid
glass, foam fill method.

Stratos has been using the technique for a while using Kevlar/Carbon
composite weave and those boats are tough.


I have no objection to modern materials in the hull, but I'd not buy any
boat with foam in between the hull skins.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:30:30 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth of
fuel.

Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.

Here, here...

Spoken like a true Grand Banks owner. :-)

When the going is tough,

we're all going at the same speed,

except for the guys who are not going at all,

low transom folk and the like.

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:32:38 -0800, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?

Of course, unless I could afford a Hinckley. That would make them a
lot better.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I learned a lesson about the newer, lighter sportsfishing boats with the Egg
Harbor I had.
Beautiful boat ... well built ... but would loosen your fillings on a rough
outing unless you slowed way down.

Shuddagotta Bertram, Cadillac ride all the way. We loved our 33 but
it was just too small and too fuel inefficient for the kind of
retirement cruising we wanted to do. A 46 sportfish would have been
nice but they don't live nearly as well as a GB, and they burn 2 or 3
gallons per mile.

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.

It will certainly be good at burning fuel, that's a given.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I learned a lesson about the newer, lighter sportsfishing boats with the Egg
Harbor I had.
Beautiful boat ... well built ... but would loosen your fillings on a rough
outing unless you slowed way down.

Shuddagotta Bertram, Cadillac ride all the way. We loved our 33 but
it was just too small and too fuel inefficient for the kind of
retirement cruising we wanted to do. A 46 sportfish would have been
nice but they don't live nearly as well as a GB, and they burn 2 or 3
gallons per mile.


There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Nov 5, 1:33?pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:35?am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
egroups.com...
With crude oil well over $90/bbl and forecast to hit $100 by the end
of the year, we could easily see $4- $4-50 a gallon at gas stations
and
maybe $6 at fuel docks during next spring's annual gas gouge. If
boating is to survive as a pastime and if the manufacturers hope to
sell enough boats to survive, the industry has to get some weight out
of the boats without sacrificing strength. The solid, hand rolled
laminate hull is being supplanted with better alternatives, made
possible in part by vacuum infused molding.
Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth of
fuel.
Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.
Eisboch
I love this line, since it is right out of the PR Department's
bullship-ometer:

"The solid, hand rolled laminate hull is being supplanted with better
alternatives..."

Right, of course.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm sure you consider Hinckley a piece of crap. None of their lobster
or picnic style boats would ever compare to yours, I'm certain of
that.

If you might be interested in a general description of how a well
respected E Coast boat is built, follow this link:

http://hinckleyyachts.com/home.html

Select "Under the Skin", and then select item 5 on the illustration.

Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?

I thought we were discussing sal****er fishing boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought I was responding to your comment that my remark (about
modern composite construction offering some opportunities to improve
upon traditional hand rolled rove and resin) "pegged the Bullship-o-
meter" and was straight off the PR desk. My response consists of an
observation that Hinckley, normally considered among today's finest
boat builders, uses a "composite", rather than hand rolled hull. No
bullship.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.

It will certainly be good at burning fuel, that's a given.


Absolutely, although 700 hp is about the norm for an offshore sportfish
boat of that size. The engines will be about $18,000 each through
Parker, I would guess. That would be the fully rigged price. $36,000 for
the pair. I wonder what a pair of new 350 hp diesels, fully rigged,
with transmissions, goes for these days? Let's say...$80,000+, or a
$44,000 difference. It's going to take a hell of a lot of diesel
efficiency to make that up!

Of course, the diesels should last longer and hopefully have liners so
they can be rebuilt. But...what happens when a transmission goes?

It may be all moot, anyway, with fuel prices continuing to rise as they
are. I predict boat sales are heading for the crapper.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:33?pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:35?am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
With crude oil well over $90/bbl and forecast to hit $100 by the end
of the year, we could easily see $4- $4-50 a gallon at gas stations
and
maybe $6 at fuel docks during next spring's annual gas gouge. If
boating is to survive as a pastime and if the manufacturers hope to
sell enough boats to survive, the industry has to get some weight out
of the boats without sacrificing strength. The solid, hand rolled
laminate hull is being supplanted with better alternatives, made
possible in part by vacuum infused molding.
Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth of
fuel.
Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.
Eisboch
I love this line, since it is right out of the PR Department's
bullship-ometer:
"The solid, hand rolled laminate hull is being supplanted with better
alternatives..."
Right, of course.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I'm sure you consider Hinckley a piece of crap. None of their lobster
or picnic style boats would ever compare to yours, I'm certain of
that.
If you might be interested in a general description of how a well
respected E Coast boat is built, follow this link:
http://hinckleyyachts.com/home.html
Select "Under the Skin", and then select item 5 on the illustration.
Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?
I thought we were discussing sal****er fishing boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought I was responding to your comment that my remark (about
modern composite construction offering some opportunities to improve
upon traditional hand rolled rove and resin) "pegged the Bullship-o-
meter" and was straight off the PR desk. My response consists of an
observation that Hinckley, normally considered among today's finest
boat builders, uses a "composite", rather than hand rolled hull. No
bullship.



Chuck...I have no problems with "modern" composite hulls, so long as the
composite does not include foamboard or balsa.