Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:10:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Jim Smith

Forgot the link:
http://www.jimsmithboats.net/HOME.HTML

That looks supiciously like a Viking hull.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Nov 5, 8:58?am, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:23:55 -0800, Chuck Gould penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Why would every boat in succession always have to be narrower and with
a deeper V than previous models? Perhaps the new model is intended for
slightly different conditions. Is it possible that the same changes
that make the boat less "fishable" in your estimation might make it
better suited for cruising and exploring or some other purpose?

Unless Brunswick was lying through their teeth (which I find
imminently possible), their news releases at the time of purchase gave
the reason that they were targeting the sportfishing market.

Albemarle builds boats that range up to 40-soome feet in length, and
not all are intended exclusively for use by the weekend or retired
fisherman. It may be that in order to increase total overall appeal
and sales of the new model Albemarle decided to make it slightly less
specialized......don't know this for a fact, simply stating a
possibility.

Indeed, they have taken a local boat, built for local conditions, and
corporatized it to sell in a broader market.

To build a good case for a decline in quality I think it takes a lot
more than the appearance of a new hull design with different
characteristics.
Why not check out one of the new boats in person and see if fit,
finish,
hardware, workmanship aren't still up to traditional standards?

It was a boat designed for certain local conditions. It now,
regardless of fit and finish ranks little above the mongrel stage.

I'll
be getting underway on one of their new boats, just over 30-feet LOA,
in the next week or so.

Thus, it wouldn't be prudent to say anything disparaging about the
bread and butter, eh?

The brand doesn't have the long history in
this region that it enjoys back on the east coast,

The reason being, pre-Brunswick.... it wasn't designed for or marketed
to that region.

so I can't say that
I will be able to compare it knowledgeably with the pre-2005
produciton- but a pretty thorough at-the-dock examination of one of
the current boats a few months ago revealed no glaring defects or
cheap-cut aspects- I thought the boat was pretty impressive overall
and I am looking forward to the opportunity to learn even more about
it.

You might as well concede to Harry then, as you are making the
argument for him.

(The "Hatteras Collection" includes Hatteras, Cabo, and Albemarle. The
Harrell family sold to Brunswick in 2005).

Albemarle and Hatteras were originally designed as sport fishers for
the North Carolina coast. Hatteras hasn't been Hatteras since the High
Point, NC factory closed and the "Hatteras Collection" has "evolved"
to the point that it has as much in common with sportfishing as a
metrosexual does with a salt water tackle box.

What the hell would Chuck know about Atlantic Ocean sportfishing boats,
based upon an "at-the-dock" examination that "revealed no glaring
defects..." How would he know what a "glaring defect" on a sportfishing
boat might be?

Whenever a corporate conglomerate takes over a boat line, I'm reminded
of what happened to Harley-Davidson when it was taken over by AMF.- Hide quoted text -

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Once a boat is taken out of the Atlantic Ocean, and isn't being used
for sportfishing in the Atlantic Ocean, it's no longer limited to (or
specialized for) use in the Atlantc Ocean or for sportfishing. Then it
becomes "a boat", which is how I regard it.

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:47:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Jim Smith

http://www.jimsmithboats.net/HOME.HTML

Eisboch
While these are really nice (and out of my league) boats, are they really
better than a similar equipped Hatteras?

In a word .... yes.

Could you please cut to the chase, you are beginning to sound like Chuck
with your verbose reply.

ROTFL!!!

I had the same reaction. :)

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On Nov 5, 11:35?am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
roups.com...

With crude oil well over $90/bbl and forecast to hit $100 by the end
of the year, we could easily see $4- $4-50 a gallon at gas stations
and
maybe $6 at fuel docks during next spring's annual gas gouge. If
boating is to survive as a pastime and if the manufacturers hope to
sell enough boats to survive, the industry has to get some weight out
of the boats without sacrificing strength. The solid, hand rolled
laminate hull is being supplanted with better alternatives, made
possible in part by vacuum infused molding.

Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth of
fuel.

Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.

Eisboch

I love this line, since it is right out of the PR Department's
bullship-ometer:

"The solid, hand rolled laminate hull is being supplanted with better
alternatives..."

Right, of course.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm sure you consider Hinckley a piece of crap. None of their lobster
or picnic style boats would ever compare to yours, I'm certain of
that.

If you might be interested in a general description of how a well
respected E Coast boat is built, follow this link:

http://hinckleyyachts.com/home.html

Select "Under the Skin", and then select item 5 on the illustration.

Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:10:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

I have never understood the attaction to Gradys. I think they are
ugly myself fully recognizing that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.

Having said that, I also recognize that they are solid boats with a
great reputation (slightly overstated, but then what isn't?) and built
to last.

They are still ugly.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Nov 5, 11:30?am, "Eisboch" wrote:


Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth
of
fuel.

Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.

Eisboch


No problem for the trawler class- but as we know there is a point at
which slowing down a planing hull becomes less economical than staying
up on step. If the boat is slightly lighter it may be able to plane
more quickly and stay on plane more efficiently.

Offshore there is no replacement for displacement- but if the family
bow rider destined to zoom around Lake Whatchamacallit on warm summer
afternoons and in fair weather can be lightened up a few hundred
pounds without sacrificing structural integrty- that's probably a good
thing.


Agreed. I thought we were talking about high end sportsfishing boats. To
me, that means an offshore boat, but I hear you.

I learned a lesson about the newer, lighter sportsfishing boats with the Egg
Harbor I had.
Beautiful boat ... well built ... but would loosen your fillings on a rough
outing unless you slowed way down.

I guess that's why I still like the Navigator. Not fast, but fast enough
for fuel efficient cruising (which is my interest) and a soft, comfortable
ride in some fairly heavy seas.

And it doesn't have a low transom.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:10:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

I have never understood the attaction to Gradys. I think they are
ugly myself fully recognizing that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.

Having said that, I also recognize that they are solid boats with a
great reputation (slightly overstated, but then what isn't?) and built
to last.

They are still ugly.

Gradys and Sea Ox. Stout boats, take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.
I swear they were designed by the same person.

Eisboch

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:32:38 -0800, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?

I'll admit it right up front - I had my doubts about vacuum bagging
with foam core up and until I saw the process being done.

I'm convinced now that it's a pretty good method given the proper
materials in the manufacturing process. In my opinion, which matters
little I realize, it's a better method than the Ranger hand laid
glass, foam fill method.

Stratos has been using the technique for a while using Kevlar/Carbon
composite weave and those boats are tough.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:48:59 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:10:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

I have never understood the attaction to Gradys. I think they are
ugly myself fully recognizing that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.

Having said that, I also recognize that they are solid boats with a
great reputation (slightly overstated, but then what isn't?) and built
to last.

They are still ugly.

Gradys and Sea Ox. Stout boats, take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.
I swear they were designed by the same person.

I would tend to agree.

One of the guys in my club has a 26 Grady (I think it's 26) and we've
been out on Stellwagon with it in the winter for cod. It's a stout
boat no doubt about it.

Sea Ox is a great boat too, but ugly as sin.

Another quality boat manufacturer sells out.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:35?am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
With crude oil well over $90/bbl and forecast to hit $100 by the end
of the year, we could easily see $4- $4-50 a gallon at gas stations
and
maybe $6 at fuel docks during next spring's annual gas gouge. If
boating is to survive as a pastime and if the manufacturers hope to
sell enough boats to survive, the industry has to get some weight out
of the boats without sacrificing strength. The solid, hand rolled
laminate hull is being supplanted with better alternatives, made
possible in part by vacuum infused molding.
Making boats lighter has more implications than saving a few bucks worth of
fuel.
Leave them heavy and drive slower, I say.
Eisboch
I love this line, since it is right out of the PR Department's
bullship-ometer:

"The solid, hand rolled laminate hull is being supplanted with better
alternatives..."

Right, of course.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm sure you consider Hinckley a piece of crap. None of their lobster
or picnic style boats would ever compare to yours, I'm certain of
that.

If you might be interested in a general description of how a well
respected E Coast boat is built, follow this link:

http://hinckleyyachts.com/home.html

Select "Under the Skin", and then select item 5 on the illustration.

Omigawd. Kevlar and carbon fiber composites! (Watch the video- see the
bagged hull). Better run over there quick, Harry, and let them know
they don't have the first clue about how to build a boat.
Obviously a solid, hand rolled, FRP hull would be vastly superior to
anything Hinckley is putting out.....right?




I thought we were discussing sal****er fishing boats.