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It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the
other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You
need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a
place where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone
you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?

Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving
numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something
that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone
who lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap
about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,


He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation. Without
knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try reading more of
the messages in a thread before commenting.


I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter alcoholism.
He may be able to look up policies in his area with some interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.


I pay $1,100 per month for medical. What are you bitching about?


I was at $1200 until wife went on Medicare in June. But I did not live the
lifestyle of a $100k person, and saved a lot of money over the years. I
remember in the 1980's and company I was working for at the time was laying
off. Most of us engineers were making in the $60-70k range. And fellow
engineer was worried. He had 5 credit cards maxed out. I told him to worry
about the assembly line workers that were making $20k and most were single
parents. We at least had degrees and marketable skills so would be able to
get a new engineering job shortly.

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A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!



Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

It doesn't matter what it costs in Rochester, NY. Do you have the
opportunity to purchase health care insurance? Yes or no?

Yes.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


$125 / month with $3k deductible. Depends on your and your kids age.


Where did you find that information?


SWAG. Put enough deductible in and the rates go way down. You should not
worry about the everyday costs, you need to cover the catastrophes. Paying
for the yearly or biannual physical out of pocket will save you a lot of
money in the end. Just like car insurance. Get a $1000 deductible over a
$250 deductibe and you can lower your rate $2-400.

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A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!



Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

It doesn't matter what it costs in Rochester, NY. Do you have the
opportunity to purchase health care insurance? Yes or no?

Yes.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


$125 / month with $3k deductible. Depends on your and your kids age.


Where did you find that information?


SWAG. Put enough deductible in and the rates go way down. You should not
worry about the everyday costs, you need to cover the catastrophes.
Paying for the yearly or biannual physical out of pocket will save you a
lot of money in the end. Just like car insurance. Get a $1000 deductible
over a $250 deductibe and you can lower your rate $2-400.

There's pretty much no such thing as major medical-only coverage in NY.
There used to be. The problem is being "looked into" by our legislature.
Translation: They're trying to figure out how to back away from a change
they made years ago, without looking stupid.

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go on someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the
other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it
is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore
anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone
who lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap
about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter alcoholism.
He may be able to look up policies in his area with some interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no longer
exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You may
have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that if you
have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if you lived
a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would tide you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for clearing
this up for me.


A family making $45k/year should not be living a $75k/year lifestyle. And
if they cannot afford to raise children they should not be having them.

Ever hear of taking responsibility for your actions Doug? Trouble is, too
many folks like yourself like to fall back on the government when things
don't always work out.

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HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
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A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security,
and that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the
folks causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists
in this administration who have and are continually tramping on
the constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up
a foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance
costs of those that don't have the money for health care or health
care insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money
to pay for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!


Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else.
It is all about the choices you make.


Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?


You made a blanket statement about everyone having an opportunity to buy
health insurance. If a product is not affordable for you, you do NOT
have the opportunity. So, I need to know what number you are imagining
in your head.


Everyone in the US does have the opportunity to buy it. That is a fact.

Why they may opt out is another factor.

There are 4 main reasons why they would decline:

1. It is not within the budget considering more important expenses such
as shelter, food and clothing.
2. It is within the budget but the money is spent on a more extravagant
life style.
3. It is within the budget but who needs it........I am young and
invincible.
4. It is within my budget but based on my income I can self insure and
obsorb any and all costs.

When looking at the number of uninsured.............give me a breakdown
of those 4 categories. Links to factual data are required.

Class dismissed until Monday.


I trust you are working hard on this problem Doug. I will accept the
answers in percentages or number of people.


crickets

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--
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Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on
the other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as
it is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and
ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern
someone who lives there. And so you are the only one here who
gives a crap about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter
alcoholism. He may be able to look up policies in his area with some
interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no
longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that if
you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if you
lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would tide
you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for clearing
this up for me.


A family making $45k/year should not be living a $75k/year lifestyle. And
if they cannot afford to raise children they should not be having them.

Ever hear of taking responsibility for your actions Doug? Trouble is, too
many folks like yourself like to fall back on the government when things
don't always work out.

Can you imagine any scenario in which a family who is "responsible", by
***YOUR**** definition, can be making 75K on day and 45K a month later?

Or, let's try this: If Kodak lays off 700 people, was someone in a
particular family irresponsible? How so?

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True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no
longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that
if you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if
you lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would
tide you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for
clearing this up for me.


A family making $45k/year should not be living a $75k/year lifestyle.
And if they cannot afford to raise children they should not be having
them.

Ever hear of taking responsibility for your actions Doug? Trouble is,
too many folks like yourself like to fall back on the government when
things don't always work out.

Can you imagine any scenario in which a family who is "responsible", by
***YOUR**** definition, can be making 75K on day and 45K a month later?

I am sure it happens all the time. When it does, the family needs to change
their lifestyle. No more cable tv. No more eating out. No more going out
to watch movies. Just local low cost vacations. Switch to dial up
internet service. Drop the cell phones. Drive less. Use coupons and shop
for bargains. Get a second job.

Heck, come to think of it that is sort of like the lifestyle (less internet)
I was born and raised in and we had a great time. We all pitched in and no
one complained.

A family of 4 can certainly live on $45k/year.

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--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the
other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it
is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore
anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone
who lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap
about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter alcoholism.
He may be able to look up policies in his area with some interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no longer
exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You may
have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that if you
have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if you lived
a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would tide you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for clearing
this up for me.


Do you have a degree in chemistry? Or just poured the emulsions into a vat?
You may have to move, you may have to go back to school, you may have to go
to a $40k job and not buy a car every 4 years. You get unemployment for up
to 26 weeks. Time to find another job or career. You may have to move.
Life is tough at times, but this is not a world with guaranteed lifetime
employment.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you
go on someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on
the other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as
it is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and
ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern
someone who lives there. And so you are the only one here who
gives a crap about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter
alcoholism. He may be able to look up policies in his area with some
interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no
longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that if
you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if you
lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would tide
you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for clearing
this up for me.


Do you have a degree in chemistry? Or just poured the emulsions into a
vat? You may have to move, you may have to go back to school, you may have
to go to a $40k job and not buy a car every 4 years. You get unemployment
for up to 26 weeks. Time to find another job or career. You may have to
move. Life is tough at times, but this is not a world with guaranteed
lifetime employment.


I said you were right. Therefore, any time a family suddenly cannot afford
insurance, it's their fault for reproducing outside of your approved
criteria, and having too many luxuries.

You're right. All done.

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:34:38 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:12:59 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:22:50 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:25:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

which are worshipped at the altar of enviro-nuts and Global Warming
evangelicals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...eaorang114.xml

Anybody check the price of meats in the store lately?

Or Milk?

IMHO, we are taking entirely the wrong direction with this. We need to
stop thinking "liquid combustible fuel" and move on to the next step
in power source evolution.

I can't think of a better way to return our economy to #1 and render,
those would do us harm, impotent....

Go Nuclear! Hell, the Navy did it!

I'm sure no fan of that, either. I pay two electric bills: one coal
fired the other nuclear. The nuclear cost per KWh is 30% higher than
the coal.

That may just prove you're getting ripped off.

Yeah, but it isn't like I can take my business elsewhere......

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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