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Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on
the other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as
it is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and
ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern
someone who lives there. And so you are the only one here who
gives a crap about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter
alcoholism. He may be able to look up policies in his area with
some interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan.
Not funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no
longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that
if you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if
you lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would
tide you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for
clearing this up for me.


Do you have a degree in chemistry? Or just poured the emulsions into a
vat? You may have to move, you may have to go back to school, you may
have to go to a $40k job and not buy a car every 4 years. You get
unemployment for up to 26 weeks. Time to find another job or career.
You may have to move. Life is tough at times, but this is not a world
with guaranteed lifetime employment.


I said you were right. Therefore, any time a family suddenly cannot afford
insurance, it's their fault for reproducing outside of your approved
criteria, and having too many luxuries.

You're right. All done.


I was not the one saying you have too many kids. I just say crap happens.
If you are healthy, then you should go get a new job. Not like you are down
with terminal disease.

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"BAR" wrote in message
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john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
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A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.


I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and that
everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks causing
the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the constitution.

Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they have the
opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.


Sorry did not mean for this to take off into a meaningless political
argument....

You are correct everyone has the opportunity to purchase health insurance,
just as everyone has the opportunity to drive a SUV, or buy a 150 foot
luxury yacht. But every person lives their life based on their choices.
You could go into hock and buy the yacht but could you afford to drive it?

Most people make choices based on what they can afford. I was accused of
being a commie because I suggested taxing certain "luxury" items to conserve
fuel by making energy in-efficient toys less affordable.

People are easily manipulated by the media, TV and movies - why else would
everyone suddenly decide that they need the biggest car on the road just to
commute to and from work? I'll repeat it again, they have the opportunity
to buy a monster SUV, but they should have to pay either extra road tax (it
cost more in wear and tear as well as parking spots), gas tax ( by you
burning more than "your share" it costs everyone else more - why should I
subsidize you?) or Luxury tax. You have the opportunity to buy and drive
what ever you want, you make your own choices, but if you are going to burn
more energy there should be an additional charge to persuade you to
conserve.

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Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't
you go on someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to
answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on
the other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you
pose. You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with
USENET as it is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS
with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern
someone who lives there. And so you are the only one here who
gives a crap about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter
alcoholism. He may be able to look up policies in his area with
some interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan.
Not funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an
income level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2
kids should be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there
are families whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their
employers shut down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the
insurance no longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that
if you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if
you lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would
tide you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for
clearing this up for me.


Do you have a degree in chemistry? Or just poured the emulsions into a
vat? You may have to move, you may have to go back to school, you may
have to go to a $40k job and not buy a car every 4 years. You get
unemployment for up to 26 weeks. Time to find another job or career.
You may have to move. Life is tough at times, but this is not a world
with guaranteed lifetime employment.


I said you were right. Therefore, any time a family suddenly cannot
afford insurance, it's their fault for reproducing outside of your
approved criteria, and having too many luxuries.

You're right. All done.


I was not the one saying you have too many kids. I just say crap happens.
If you are healthy, then you should go get a new job. Not like you are
down with terminal disease.


Not me, but neighbors. Besides that, you're right. $600+ is never too much
for anyone unless they are complete screwups.

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:42:58 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:






I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?

I guess normal conversation just ****es you off, Harry?

You are so neat. Being called an asshole by such as you is a real honor.

Did you catch this, John?

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/pdf...mp020_sm-2.pdf

The Parker should have performed better but the motor works hard hauling
all of that water.

No, I hadn't seen that. Quite interesting. I would have thought the less
wind resistance of a sternless boat would have improved the economy.
--
John H

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:48:34 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:58:13 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 12:21 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:44:11 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:







"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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On Aug 18, 9:50 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:06:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
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A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the
downfall of this country.
I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that
everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing
the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the
opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.
If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of
those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance.
Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay for some one
else's health care insurance. Be the example!
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.
Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
And everyone has the opportunity to take their political tripe to
a.politics.
So, what do you think of my new boat selection?
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Yeah, really? No one even commented. I thought I would hold off, but
geeze. Anyway, I like the lines of the hull on many of their smaller
boats like the 14 and 17's. My only comment is how big it is and how
difficult it might be to single launch and such, Do you boat in open
or protected water, if protected, I might even go a couple feet
smaller. If open water, get a good skid protector on the keel, and
some good bumpers.
Good point. That in-between size can be awkward.
If a person always has at least one able crew along...no problem. If
not, I'd be tempted to either go a bit bigger and keep the boat at a
mooring/slip, or go smaller to something easily handled by one person. As
you say, a lot depends on where you boat and the conditions you're brave
or foolish enough to venture out in.
Jeez...I used to launch and retrieve the original Yo Ho alone once in a
while. This was a boat 25' long, plus another seven feet for the pulpit
and outboard bracket. Close to 7000 pounds with fuel. On and off a bunk
trailer. I could launch a 21-footer blindfolded.
Guess I'm think of my 19 foot sailboat....requiring mast raising, rigging
etc and the shallow launch ramps we have here. Our floating docks are
usually out of easy reach to float off & on by holding the bow & stern
lines.
My 21'er was a handful for one person, especially if the launch ramp had no
dock alongside. Luckily, Breezy Point, where Harry kept the YO HO, had a
dock alongside the ramp, making launching and retrieval pretty easy.
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I don't really have a problem with either my 18' Chris, or my 23'
Marquis. My lakes do have launch docks with good bumper railing. I
dont' drive up onto the trailer, because the boat always settles in
lpsided because of the additional weight on the helm side, so I get it
all centered pull the craft forward, hook and crank. works ok, just
have to take a bit of time, but not bad.

As long as the docks are there, it goes well. Today we went down to Pohick
Bay, off the Potomac River, just to sit and watch folks launch and retrieve
boats (and to give the dog a chance to play in the water). What a blast.
There are always some fools around to make the watching enjoyable!

Pohick Bay is an accident waiting to happen. Too many idiots in too
small of a space.

If you want to talk about a body of water that shouldn't allow low/no
transom boats then Pokick Bay on a Saturday, Sunday or Holiday.

You're right, but it's a fun place to go!


--
John H

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:05:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you
go on someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on
the other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose.
You need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as
it is, a place where you can come and talk with, BS with and
ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan
costs in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims
involving numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now
disagree, something that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern
someone who lives there. And so you are the only one here who
gives a crap about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation.
Without knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try
reading more of the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter
alcoholism. He may be able to look up policies in his area with some
interest.


Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.

That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income
level of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should
be able to manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families
whose lifestyles were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut
down. So, suddenly, the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no
longer exists. Here, Kodak is an example.


Then you have to change your lifestyle. Get a different career. You
may have to flip burgers for awhile, but no where is it declared that if
you have a $75k job, you always get to live that lifestyle. And if you
lived a $45k lifestyle while making $75k, your investments would tide
you over.


You're right. It's easy to get a different career, usually in a day or
two, especially if your specialty was film emulsions. Thanks for clearing
this up for me.


Do you have a degree in chemistry? Or just poured the emulsions into a
vat? You may have to move, you may have to go back to school, you may have
to go to a $40k job and not buy a car every 4 years. You get unemployment
for up to 26 weeks. Time to find another job or career. You may have to
move. Life is tough at times, but this is not a world with guaranteed
lifetime employment.


I said you were right. Therefore, any time a family suddenly cannot afford
insurance, it's their fault for reproducing outside of your approved
criteria, and having too many luxuries.

You're right. All done.


Well, we're all glad that's done and you're satisfied. Now, how about
telling us about your boat, and take the political crap someplace else?
--
John H

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:08:37 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:

And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
That boat has bracket on the back! You better carry one of these to cut
out the transom in case of an emergency...

http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/to...productID=4114

HEY! I just posted the same thing for Reggie. Are you telling me I need two
of the damn things?

It has to be cordless. Even if you have a genset it will probably be
swamped, too.

Dan

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:42:58 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:




I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?
I guess normal conversation just ****es you off, Harry?

You are so neat. Being called an asshole by such as you is a real honor.
Did you catch this, John?

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/pdf...mp020_sm-2.pdf

The Parker should have performed better but the motor works hard hauling
all of that water.

No, I hadn't seen that. Quite interesting. I would have thought the less
wind resistance of a sternless boat would have improved the economy.

Not true...

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/?p=58

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go
on someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.


It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your
theories by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.
I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the
other hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You
need to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a
place where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone
you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?
Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving
numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something
that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone
who lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap
about Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,

He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation. Without
knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try reading more of
the messages in a thread before commenting.

I read the thread. He probably cares less what insurance costs in
Rochester. Maybe Frostbite runs up the rates. Or winter alcoholism.
He may be able to look up policies in his area with some interest.

Whatever. It's about $675.00, unless you're on NY's poverty plan. Not
funny.
That doesn't seem to be out of line for what you get in case of an
emergency or life threatening situation.


True, but if I recall, the poverty plan becomes available at an income level
of 42K. While it may seem that a family with maybe 2 kids should be able to
manage on (picking a number here) 45K, there are families whose lifestyles
were based on let's say 75K, but their employers shut down. So, suddenly,
the "opportunity" to pay for the insurance no longer exists. Here, Kodak is
an example.

Nothing is forever, and I have gone from good job to wondering where my
next paycheck is coming from 4 times in my career.

Back in '02 I was laid off in late February and my wife was laid off
three weeks later. Going from two paychecks in the high tech arena to no
paychecks was a shocker but, we regrouped and went out looking for new
jobs. Albeit we were lucky enough to have a large employer base in our
area. We have stayed in the DC area for just that reason.

Pick yourself up and make some plans and make some decisions and get on
with your life.

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:15:06 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:42:58 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:




I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?
I guess normal conversation just ****es you off, Harry?

You are so neat. Being called an asshole by such as you is a real honor.
Did you catch this, John?

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/pdf...mp020_sm-2.pdf

The Parker should have performed better but the motor works hard hauling
all of that water.

No, I hadn't seen that. Quite interesting. I would have thought the less
wind resistance of a sternless boat would have improved the economy.

Not true...

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/?p=58

As the relationship is one to one, would one get a boat full of 'stagnant
air' *with* a full transom? Hell, I always thought the smell was my feet!
--
John H