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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:51:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

I never said there was.

Keep on keeping on - that's what makes you you.

And now, I shall retire from the field of virtual discourse.

Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.
A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.

Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:51:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
news:ev7jv2lklduhgbto90kdqfviebuv7m756s@4a x.com...

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and
become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to
be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

I never said there was.

Keep on keeping on - that's what makes you you.

And now, I shall retire from the field of virtual discourse.

Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)


I have no interest in winning (see below). And, you are a pain in the ass,
and I mean that in a good way. :-)

In the center of the screen on my son's XP account: "Arguing on the
internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're
retarded."

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:11:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)

I have no interest in winning (see below). And, you are a pain in the ass,
and I mean that in a good way. :-)

I live to serve.

In the center of the screen on my son's XP account: "Arguing on the
internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're
retarded."

ROTFL!!!

10-4.

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RJSmithers wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:19?pm, "Don White" wrote:

Woke up this morning at 0630 and looked out the window. Voyager
mini-van not
where it was at 0130hrs.
At first I thought my son had gone for an all-nighter until I saw
the tell
tale broken glass. While I was on the phone to the police, my wife
came back

from walking the dog to tell me she found the van around the corner
with

the
engine still running. ?I went over and sure enough, the driver
window was
smashed out with glass all over my seat. ?The ignition was ripped
out, and
the radio cd player gone. ?Took almost an hour for the police to
show up.
He did his report and I drove the van directly to the closest Chrysler
dealership (walking distance). ?Still have collision/comprehensive
on the
vehicle so I now have a rental while the van is made whole again.
My deductable on this is $100.00.


a thousand dollars in damages, and went half way around the block.

Well a couple weekeds ago some little locals decided to bust out the
windows on the back of my shop. 8 of them. about 800$ worth of (now)
plexiglass and labor. I'm also going to put industiral screening over
them. I hate to make the building look "Ghetto" but I don't know what
else to do.

Of course, If I caught one doing the damage, I'd be the one going to
jail.

The police just looked at the damage and shook their heads.

Do you have a security system? I'm in a "good" area but I still have
full perimeter coverage will a few motion detectors in case someone
would want to try to cut through a door rather than forcing it open.
I also have one camera that can pick up the largest area. I have
$550K in inventory right now so the ADT security system alone saves
me more than I pay for it in insurance premiums.

Dan


Being a former design engineer for a security products supplier, I do
know about security systems. Bad dog is still the best!

Is "Bad Dog' a national franchise? ;)

Might be. They're in FL. I don't have a yard to protect, just a
warehouse so I can do without a "bad" dog.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 14 Mar 2007 19:17:21 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


Jack Redington wrote:


He is Innocent, in the eyes of the law a court made that declaration.
Now did he do it, welllll.

Capt Jack R..

Innocent of "Murder?" YES! (according to the law)


Not guilty. Innocent isn't a legal concept as I understand it.


Guilty of "Wrongful death"? YES! (according to the law)


Different standard of proof between criminal and civil courts.


I'm still trying to figure that one out.


See above.

I can accept that - I stand corrected..

Capt Jack R..

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:01:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.
It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."

Who said anything about a BB gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr. jacketed
hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

Well, a pellet gun *is* better I guess. Had one myself.
I'd probably stare the guy down with my piece and tell him,
"This here's the .22 Crossman, the most powerful pellet gun ever made.

Who said anything about a pellet gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr.
jacketed hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

It'll blow your earlobe clean off. So go ahead, make my day!"
The Brits probably have better than the Crossman I had.
Rifling made it accurate, but I doubt it would get through bone, skull
or ribs.

The Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 in .45 cal has rifling, it helps the bullet
blow your head nearly clean off.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.
Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.
Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

Sure, sure. Same for litterers and the punks who spill oil and
anti-freeze on the ground.

The question you have to ask is are you willing to die for your art?

Don't even get me started on dog**** and PWC's.

PWC's are targets!

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:01:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:


I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."
Well, a pellet gun *is* better I guess. Had one myself.
I'd probably stare the guy down with my piece and tell him,
"This here's the .22 Crossman, the most powerful pellet gun ever made.
It'll blow your earlobe clean off. So go ahead, make my day!"
The Brits probably have better than the Crossman I had.
Rifling made it accurate, but I doubt it would get through bone, skull
or ribs.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.

Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

Sure, sure. Same for litterers and the punks who spill oil and
anti-freeze on the ground.
Don't even get me started on dog**** and PWC's.

--Vic

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:34:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."

Who said anything about a BB gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr. jacketed
hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

Original unclipped below. That'll teach me about clipping.
Would you fire a warning shot into the ceiling with a pellet gun?
Didn't think so.

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On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.
A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

You:
It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

--Vic