"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:31:30 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman

Check the stats for California.

But thanks for the nice post.

Now getting back to California again....

Oh, -HELL- no.

You didn't say -squat- about "California" in your bigoted rant.

You taunted Paul to produce the numbers, and he Pro-Pimp Bitchslapped you.

Don't be trying to switch the context now that you're in the hole.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:41:49 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:31:30 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman

Check the stats for California.

But thanks for the nice post.

Now getting back to California again....

Oh, -HELL- no.

You didn't say -squat- about "California" in your bigoted rant.

Really? Nor did I say anything about any other part of the country
either, you marxist spittoon.

You taunted Paul to produce the numbers, and he Pro-Pimp Bitchslapped you.

Right. oh **** yes

Don't be trying to switch the context now that you're in the hole.

Which context would that be? I said our prisons. **** dude..why didnt
you provide cites for britian, since there must be some brits reading
this? Yall rise to the bait like a school of minnows.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States



The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI’s “Crime in
the United States” (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don’t
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It’s BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample’s 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)


Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

"Gunner" wrote in message
...


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Interesting stats. What do they mean to you?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Interesting stats. What do they mean to you?

It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more
prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons.

And what do they mean to you?

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
m...


The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.

GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.
* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K), and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)
* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.

What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.

So the illegal alien GENERAL population has a propensity for violent
crime 12 times that of the remainder of the US population. (3,729 /
309 = 12.1)



Two things:

1) My toaster failed to kill me for the 8 billionth time. Has it made a
tactical error?


2) Get me some stats showing other populations in THIS country which are
overrepresented in the prisons.


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Interesting stats. What do they mean to you?

It means that there are certain segments of our society who are more
prone to crime/violence than others, for a number of reasons.

And what do they mean to you?

Gunner

I agree with your last statement. But, those numbers don't indicate anything
about illegal immigrants unless more detail is provided.

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:41:49 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:31:30 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman



http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States



The authoritative source on crime and arrests is the FBI's "Crime in
the United States" (CIUS).
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

In 2005, there were 14,094,186 arrests in all jurisdictions; 603,000
of those were for violent crime. So, 4.3% of arrests were for violent
crime, and about 96% for property crime, stock fraud, etc.




Been down at the fruit stand comparing apples and oranges again Gunner.

The GAO's numbers are arrests that led to imprisonment, the FBI list all
arrests.

A quick scan down the list shows arrests for disorderly conduct, vagrancy,
runaways and curfew violation.

These arrests add up to 5990217 (or 42.5%) of the 14094186 total

So 11093785 arrests were able to lead to more time in jail than it took for
booking and arraignment.



GAO reported its study of illegal alien prisoners and the offenses for
which they were arrested. Among a sample of illegal alien prisoners,
12% had been arrested for violent crimes.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html


Actually, it showed 11.5%, but hell, we'll include arson. That will bring it
up to 11.7% and we'll round up

There are 2,079,000 prisoners (fed, state, local), and 270,000 of
those are illegal aliens.

Conclusions:
* Whether there are 8 million illegals, or 9 or 10 million (we don't
know) among our 300 million US population, illegals are less than 3.4%
of residents.

Wait a minute, You said it was 30 million the other day.

* Yet, they are 13% of prisoners (270K / 2,079K),



According to;
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim04.pdf

Blacks make up 38.6% of our prison population when according to;
http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_race.html
they only make up 12.06% of the population.

some groups are overrepresented in out prison population.

Particularly when one of the crimes they are imprisoned for is the fact that
they are illegal aliens.


and 36% of those
arrested and incarcerated for violent crimes (4.3% of 2,079K = 89.4K.
12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 / 89.4 = 36%)

Here again we need to review the FBI data.
The FBI only lists murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault as
violent crimes.

To get Our 12% for illegals, we included all sex crimes including
prostitution, all assaults and (now) arson.

If we add those arrests to the FBI's violent crime number, we get 2097748
equivalent violent crimes out of 11093785 significant arrests or 18.9%

So our 12% is back down below the national average

In fact they make up only 8.2% of those arrested and incarcerated for
violent crimes
(18.9% of 2,079K = 392.9, 12% of 270K = 32.4K. 32.4 /392.9 = 8.2%)



* 88% of illegal alien criminals are not violent criminals, BUT
illegal alien CRIMINALS are three times as likely to commit violent
crime as criminals who are NOT illegal aliens (i.e. either natives,
naturalized, or arrived here legally): 12% vs. 4.3%.


No actually they are only 63.5% as likely to have committed violent crimes
as the prison population on the whole.



What does that mean in the GENERAL population, not just the criminal
underworld? It's BAD.

In a representative sample of 10,000 US residents, there would be:
333 illegal aliens, of those
9 are jailed, and of those
1 (1.1) was arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per 309
illegal aliens.

Among the sample's 9,667 non-aliens, there would be:
60 jailed, and of those
3 (2.6) were arrested for violent crime. One violent criminal per
3,729 non-aliens.



No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be:
48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456
(48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested
for violent crime. One violent criminal per
1208 non-aliens.

So, now our illegal alien population is one third as likely as an american
citizen to be incarcerated as a violent criminal.


Paul K. Dickman


"I do my own cooking, and I know a souffle when I see it."
James Garner in the Rockford Files

"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
...


I'm sorry, I am extremely tired,and I filled the wrong data for the last
paragraph of my last post

I typed
No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be:
48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456
(48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested
for violent crime. One violent criminal per
1208 non-aliens.

That was the based on data for only state and federal prisons. The numbers
including local jails is below

No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be:
72.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 63.336
(72.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 12 were arrested
for violent crime. One violent criminal per 805 non-aliens.


Paul K. Dickman


"I do my own cooking, and I know a souffle when I see it."
James Garner in the Rockford Files

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:08:07 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
...


I'm sorry, I am extremely tired,and I filled the wrong data for the last
paragraph of my last post

I typed
No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be:
48.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 42.456
(48.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 8 were arrested
for violent crime. One violent criminal per
1208 non-aliens.

That was the based on data for only state and federal prisons. The numbers
including local jails is below

No, that's is Among the sample's 10000 residents, there would be:
72.8 jailed,(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) and of those 63.336
(72.8 - 13% illegal aliens) would be non aliens 18.9% or 12 were arrested
for violent crime. One violent criminal per 805 non-aliens.

You also missed this data source

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3