JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"gringo" wrote in message
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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to
explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for
the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved
and when they will be withdrawn."
------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999


What was it talking about when it said that?



Boy George was referring to Clinton's plan to stop the genocide in
Kosovo. Those who are now chickenhawks about Iraq sneered and called
Clinton war monger, among other things when he threatened to bomb
Taliban/al Qaeda in Afghanistan, and did all they could to stop
Clinton's military involvement in European affairs. BTW, not a single
American soldier lost his life in Kosovo--and yet we stopped the
slaughter of millions of helpless civilians.

Something else: have you noticed how all the conservatives are now
decrying the Bush administration they praised to high heaven just a few
weeks ago? Bush ain't no conservative, they cry: don't blame us for the
mess Bush made of the nation--give us "true conservatives" complete
control of all arms of government and we'll do a better job. BS. Bush
IS a conservative--a "compassionate" is his claim. And don't be fooled
when the next election rolls around: McCain is the same sort of
consrvative--slightly more moderate, but with no moral base to help him
resist the political power of the Neo-Conservatives who are wedded to
fanatical religious ideologues.

--
*fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
-- The American Heritage Dictionary



"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."
------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:26:54 -0600, gringo wrote:

The ground along the border has been seeded with electronic detection
devices for quite some time, with little effect. Oh, technology
works--but REpublicans beginning with REagan handicapped the Border
Patrol and all other enforcement efforts. Before Reagan, Border Patrol
agents all over the nation regularly raided those who employed illegal
aliens, and loaded the illegals onto buses headed for the border; before
Reagan, illegals skulked around in the shadows, or hid within the legal
Latino communities. Reagan opened his arms and our borders to them.
Nowadays, the Border Patrol are essentially mute witnesses to the flood
of humanity crossing the southern border.


Odd..I notice you missed the 8 yrs of the Clinton Administration in
your little propaganda rant.

U.S. efforts to expand and strengthen the fight against illegal
immigration - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 7, 1995 - Transcript
US Department of State Dispatch, Feb 13, 1995



"Good morning. Two years ago, when I took office, I was determined to do
a better job of dealing with the problem of illegal immigration. About
two years ago this week, when I discussed with Janet Reno the
possibility of her becoming attorney general, we had a talk about this,
and for the last two years we have been hard at work trying to fix a
system that everyone agrees has serious problems.


"The Vice President and I have just been briefed by Attorney General
Reno; Doris Meissner, the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization
Service; our Secretary of Labor, Bob Reich; Maria Echaveste, the
Director of the Wage and Hour Division of the Labor Department;
Silvestre Reyes, Chief Border Patrol Agent of the El Paso Sector; Gus de
la Vina, the Director of the Western Region of the Immigration and
Naturalization Service; Doug Crum, the U.S. Border Chief; and George
Weise, our Customs Commissione

Snip lots of talk, little action.

If Clinton wanted to stop illegal immigration, he could have. And
no..he didnt.

Same with Bush.

Same with every president back to Wilson. And including Clinton

http://www.theamericanresistance.com...n_numbers.html


Step 1: Estimate the gross numbers of illegals entering the U.S.

Census figures show that 90 percent of illegal immigration comes from
Latin America, with 70 percent of the total from Mexico.26 The last
decade has witnessed a tidal wave of illegal Mexican immigration. The
Center for Immigration Studies noted:

"Indeed, the last decade saw an unprecedented number of Mexicans cross
the U.S. border. Between 1990 and 2000, their number doubled - from
4.2 million to 9.2 million, or 30 percent of the entire foreign-born
population in the United States. Within this number, unauthorized
Mexicans grew by more than 100 percent - from 2 million to 4.8
million, or 69 percent of all illegal aliens in the United States."

Though the Mexican government should be embarrassed that 10 percent of
its people have fled to the U.S. from Mexico, President Vicente Fox's
administration has embraced this reality. In fact, increasing the
number of Mexicans working illegally in the United States is among
Mexico's highest foreign policy objectives.30

U.S. Government estimates of illegal aliens residing in the United
States have been uniformly low.18 On December 9, 2003, Homeland
Security Secretary Tom Ridge stated that there were 8 million to 12
million illegal aliens in the United States.1 The corrected U.S.
Census Bureau estimate for 2003 was 8 million2; other Census data
extrapolated to more like 10 million, and it recently has been
questioned whether the actual number is much higher.20 Referring to a
2001 Northeastern University study stating that there were 11 million
illegal aliens in the United States as opposed to U.S. Government
estimates of 6 million,18 the Federation for American Immigration Refo

Now there is no way in hell we can deport 20-30 million people. The US
economy would implode.

But..when one finds oneself in a hole..the first thing you do is stop
digging.

When in a flooding room..stop the flood first.

Then you can pump out the water, and repair the damage.

The Wall..is a good first step at stopping the flood.


Gunner

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:02:05 -0600, gringo wrote:

BS. Bush
IS a conservative

Hardly. He is a moderate.

But he was damned sure a better choice nonetheless, than that Marxist
Kerry.

Clinton wasnt a liberal either. He was a moderate. A moderate AND a
scumbag.

You got the scumbag part down pretty good.

Gunner

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:02:05 -0600, gringo wrote:

BS. Bush
IS a conservative

Hardly. He is a moderate.

But he was damned sure a better choice nonetheless, than that Marxist
Kerry.

What is a Marxist? You're a very smart person. I want to learn from you.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...


Snip lots of talk, little action.

If Clinton wanted to stop illegal immigration, he could have. And
no..he didnt.

Same with Bush.

Same with every president back to Wilson. And including Clinton


Please tell us which native American tribe you descended from.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:02:05 -0600, gringo wrote:


BS. Bush
IS a conservative

Hardly. He is a moderate.

But he was damned sure a better choice nonetheless, than that Marxist
Kerry.


What is a Marxist? You're a very smart person. I want to learn from you.



LOL. Anyone who disagrees with gunner that God talks to the little
shrub named George W. is a marxist.

FYI, in the future I'll be deleting the cross-addresses. I post from
misc.transport.trucking.

--
*fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
-- The American Heritage Dictionary



"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."
------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999

"gringo" wrote in message
.. .
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:02:05 -0600, gringo wrote:


BS. Bush
IS a conservative

Hardly. He is a moderate.

But he was damned sure a better choice nonetheless, than that Marxist
Kerry.


What is a Marxist? You're a very smart person. I want to learn from you.


LOL. Anyone who disagrees with gunner that God talks to the little shrub
named George W. is a marxist.

Seriously, I think Gunner's a very smart person, and I'm glad he's insulted
me in earlier messages because I'm not worthy to comment on politics or
American history. After he tells me what a Marxist is, I want him to tell me
what a socialist is, because very smart people in other newsgroups say Al
Gore is a socialist.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:09:52 -0600, gringo wrote:



What is a Marxist? You're a very smart person. I want to learn from you.



LOL. Anyone who disagrees with gunner that God talks to the little
shrub named George W. is a marxist.

FYI, in the future I'll be deleting the cross-addresses. I post from
misc.transport.trucking.

Lots of Marxists truck drivers. Well..there used to be before the USSR
imploded. I understand we still have some here in the States. Most of
them belong to the Teamsters.


Gunner

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:09:52 -0600, gringo wrote:



What is a Marxist? You're a very smart person. I want to learn from you.



LOL. Anyone who disagrees with gunner that God talks to the little
shrub named George W. is a marxist.

FYI, in the future I'll be deleting the cross-addresses. I post from
misc.transport.trucking.

Lots of Marxists truck drivers. Well..there used to be before the USSR
imploded. I understand we still have some here in the States. Most of
them belong to the Teamsters.


Gunner

Please don't simplify this. I know your knowledge goes to depths I cannot
imagine, even though I spent many hours in political science classes in
college. What is a Marxist?

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner wrote
on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:19:47 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :

We had another DMV ******* popped last week. Taking an existing drivers
license, changing the address and the picture and the name.and selling
them to illegals for $500-1800 a pop. What could be more legitimate...an
ID right straight from the DMV. Too bad its bogus..but it sure LOOKs
legal with all the proper holligrams and embossing.

Though I can buy a decent set of ID at an swap meet or park..give em
$150, a small photo..and hang around for an hour..and a runner brings it
back to me..and damned hard to spot as counterfiet. I know..I used to be
a cop here in California.

As President Lech Welensa said, back in the 80s "Where there is
stupidity, there are business opportunities."
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."