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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My boat
wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford Explorer.
The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't cut it in the
trailering department. I realize that some people cannot afford two
vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas prices, despite the
"environment", it would probably be the Rio. The SUV is just too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My boat
wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't cut
it in the trailering department. I realize that some people cannot
afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas prices,
despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The SUV is just
too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.


It does not necessarily be needed for towing only....perhaps to get onto and
out of construction sites, perhaps to transport a good deal of material or a
high number of passengers. There are all sorts of reasons one may need an
SUV or pickup truck, just like you need one....eh?

Regardless, can you show some proof to your statement that most folks who
own large vehicles do not need them?

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"RG" wrote in message
m...
Get it still, you don't. Trying to accomplish this change through
governmental taxation will only result in animosity and non-compliance.
Not to mention the fact that you'd never get Congress to agree on an
approach. Accomplishing it through a high cost of ownership due to high
fuel bills and wicked depreciation will happen with Congress doing what
it does best...nothing. The market always works...eventually. Trust
the force, Luke.



What do you do about the terminally stupid who can't understand cause and
effect?

Well eventually, the terminally part of your description will become
operative. In the meantime, let them pay through the nose. But when it
costs $200 to fill up the tank of their truck, do you really think even
the dimmest bulb won't get a clue? That level of witlessness is not
typically found in the company of unlimited financial resources.



Meanwhile, they're part of a problem that this country MUST deal with.
That's why I see nothing wrong with gently leading them by the nose.
Hell....there are still billboards addressing smoking, DWI and domestic
violence. They may not be the greatest thing since bait vending machines, as
far as getting a message across, but I think they achieve more than nothing.

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My
boat wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't
cut it in the trailering department. I realize that some people cannot
afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas prices,
despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The SUV is
just too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.


It does not necessarily be needed for towing only....perhaps to get onto
and out of construction sites, perhaps to transport a good deal of
material or a high number of passengers. There are all sorts of reasons
one may need an SUV or pickup truck, just like you need one....eh?

Regardless, can you show some proof to your statement that most folks who
own large vehicles do not need them?


Yes, I can show proof.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies
for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My
boat wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't
cut it in the trailering department. I realize that some people cannot
afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas prices,
despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The SUV is
just too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.


It does not necessarily be needed for towing only....perhaps to get onto
and out of construction sites, perhaps to transport a good deal of
material or a high number of passengers. There are all sorts of reasons
one may need an SUV or pickup truck, just like you need one....eh?

Regardless, can you show some proof to your statement that most folks who
own large vehicles do not need them?


Yes, I can show proof.


Then please do so.

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same
applies for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My
boat wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't
cut it in the trailering department. I realize that some people
cannot afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas
prices, despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The
SUV is just too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.


It does not necessarily be needed for towing only....perhaps to get onto
and out of construction sites, perhaps to transport a good deal of
material or a high number of passengers. There are all sorts of reasons
one may need an SUV or pickup truck, just like you need one....eh?

Regardless, can you show some proof to your statement that most folks
who own large vehicles do not need them?


Yes, I can show proof.


Then please do so.


You're not capable of understanding it. I don't waste my time that way.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

Meanwhile, they're part of a problem that this country MUST deal with.
That's why I see nothing wrong with gently leading them by the nose.
Hell....there are still billboards addressing smoking, DWI and domestic
violence. They may not be the greatest thing since bait vending machines,
as far as getting a message across, but I think they achieve more than
nothing.

You appear to be looking for 100% compliance. Essentially every man, woman
and child marching in lockstep toward your vision. Can you recall any other
social movement that achieved that level of acceptance? Perhaps you need to
ratchet down your expectations a notch. A trend is probably the best that
can be hoped for. Humanity is a diverse lot. It's our burden and our
blessing.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats
your boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same
applies for everything in between.

RCE

Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My
boat wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't
cut it in the trailering department. I realize that some people
cannot afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas
prices, despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The
SUV is just too useful.

Fine, but you're not typical of the vast majority of truck owners. You
actually have a need for a towing vehicle.


It does not necessarily be needed for towing only....perhaps to get
onto and out of construction sites, perhaps to transport a good deal of
material or a high number of passengers. There are all sorts of
reasons one may need an SUV or pickup truck, just like you need
one....eh?

Regardless, can you show some proof to your statement that most folks
who own large vehicles do not need them?


Yes, I can show proof.


Then please do so.


You're not capable of understanding it. I don't waste my time that way.


More insults Doug. Why can't you just discuss this like an adult?

You said you could provide proof of your statement.....so please do.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

Don White wrote:

From an outsiders point of view... a lot of Americaans seem to have a
fetish for size & power.
The Honda Civic has been the best selling car in Canada for 8 years
while the Toyota Camry has been the USA's top seller for 6 years
In the SUV catagory it's the Ford Escape...vs the Ford Explorer stateside.

We looked at the Escape and the Jeep Liberty. Both were a bit too weak
in the towing department and the difference in gas milage was barely
perceptable. That's why we got an Explorer.

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RCE wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

RCE wrote:
Again, stolen from another NG, the following is a portion of an article
published in the "Economist".

It seems to refute some of the Peak Oil doom and gloom arguments.

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There was an article in the latest Economist about this. Here's
a little of it:

As oil production slows,
prices will rise up and down the futures curve, stimulating new
technology and conservation. We might be running low on $20 oil,
but for $60 we have adequate oil supplies for decades to come."


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$60/bbl for "decades to come"? How far from the wastebasket does one
need to stand to score 3 points with a paper wad?


According to his theory, $100/bbl will add a couple of more decades of
availability.

RCE

I don't know when that theory was expounded, but that $60/bbl oil
lasted maybe a few weeks or months. Certainly not "decades". We're
closing in on $80.