Peak Oil - counterargument
 

On 25 Apr 2006 06:26:17 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 15:45:22 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


RCE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How about this: "I own a Hummer just because I can." Does that strike you
as a good idea, since this country really does need to lower its demand
for oil? Or, is this not your country?


I have to admit, a Hummer is where I draw the line. I support everyone's
freedom of choice to buy what excites them, but for the life of me I don't
understand the fascination with a 1500 GM pickup truck chassis and a
military, "Terminator" sheet metal body. Reminds me of those toys the kids
play with --- "Transformers" or something like that .... the ones that you
pull on the doors or whatever and it turns into a Robot.

RCE

I agree, aside from being butt ugly, they are too wide and
unmaneuverable for todays parking lots and streets. I watched some fool
with his penis, I mean Hummer trying to park at an office complex. He
was there when I got there, I parked, got my briefcase out of the back,
while talking on my cell phone, and he was still parking when I went in!

Yeah, but weren't all the girls standing around his Hummer, just waiting
for him to get out so they could ogle his manliness?
--
'Til next time,

John H


Uh, yeah...sure..... He probably doesn't have much in the pants to
ogle....hence the Hummer!

Hey, bk! It took this time. Thanks!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Gorf" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"RCE" wrote in message
...
Again, stolen from another NG, the following is a portion of an
article
published in the "Economist".

It seems to refute some of the Peak Oil doom and gloom arguments.

The hell with "the peak". How about just doing our part to lower
prices?
Or,
are Americans too friggin' busy, lazy or stupid to make the effort?



Just like the tech bubble, the real and the estate bubble. The price
of
gas
is high right now because of speculators hoping to make money off of
it.
Because Bush has threatened Iran, and Iran has said that they would
block
the straight of Humus if attacked. Speculators on the commodity market
are
driving up the price. Add to this artificial shortages due to the
implementation of "ethanol based" fuel.
If the Iran issue blows over, prices will plummet.

Why don't you buy a small fuel efficient car?





Iran just said they intend to share their nuclear technology with Sudan.
This may not blow over.


Assume for a minute that political influences on the price of oil were
suddenly gone ... OPEC resumed setting reasonable oil prices and
everything
is hunky-dorey with the world.

Then, assume everybody that drives a car in the world got a flash of
insight
and traded in their current vehicles for replacements that got twice the
fuel mileage.

What would happen to the price of gas? Go up, down or stay the same?

I say it would double in price.

RCE

The capitalist law of supply and demand says that the price would drop. But
of course as long as the government is in league with oil monopolies, you
are probably correct the price would go up....

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

JohnH wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:26:17 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 15:45:22 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


RCE wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...



How about this: "I own a Hummer just because I can." Does that strike you
as a good idea, since this country really does need to lower its demand
for oil? Or, is this not your country?


I have to admit, a Hummer is where I draw the line. I support everyone's
freedom of choice to buy what excites them, but for the life of me I don't
understand the fascination with a 1500 GM pickup truck chassis and a
military, "Terminator" sheet metal body. Reminds me of those toys the kids
play with --- "Transformers" or something like that .... the ones that you
pull on the doors or whatever and it turns into a Robot.

RCE

I agree, aside from being butt ugly, they are too wide and
unmaneuverable for todays parking lots and streets. I watched some fool
with his penis, I mean Hummer trying to park at an office complex. He
was there when I got there, I parked, got my briefcase out of the back,
while talking on my cell phone, and he was still parking when I went in!

Yeah, but weren't all the girls standing around his Hummer, just waiting
for him to get out so they could ogle his manliness?
--
'Til next time,

John H


Uh, yeah...sure..... He probably doesn't have much in the pants to
ogle....hence the Hummer!

Hey, bk! It took this time. Thanks!
--
'Til next time,

John H

My pleasure, John. I sincerely mean that, good luck.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

basskisser wrote:
Hugh wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:


I drive a 6-cylinder Totota pickup, about 30 miles per week. My ex drives a
Subaru 4-cylinder.

I drive a Ford Excursion V10 (gas). When I'm driving it, I think of
Douglas Kanter, and all the fuel he is saving with his vehicles so I can
have enough fuel for my huge vehicle.

Tick tock, tick tock...


It takes a complete imbicile to actually, truly think like that.....


..........and a pointy head like yourself to actually, truly respond.

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I think Richard was suggesting that your recent confrontational approach to
all your posts, has a tendency to turn a reasonable discussion into silly
name calling. I think he was suggesting that you find another thread to
destroy, but I could be wrong.

I do know he is smart enough to know this is a non moderated group, but he
was enjoying the discussion in this one.

--

Reggie


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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You made no such proposal. I made one to you however.

You want to effect a change. Go ahead and start by doing what I
suggested. ;-)


Jim, we are having a friendly, philosophical discussion here.
Please don't screw it up ....... yet.



I did not know you owned this discussion Richard.

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I am sure he also meant as the cost of crude rises, it becomes economical
vialbe to extract oil from less desirable and thus more expensive oil
fields, such as many oil fields in the SW and the shale oil fields.

If he didn't mean that, he should have.

--

Reggie


"RCE" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
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RCE wrote:
Again, stolen from another NG, the following is a portion of an
article
published in the "Economist".

It seems to refute some of the Peak Oil doom and gloom arguments.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

There was an article in the latest Economist about this. Here's
a little of it:

As oil production slows,
prices will rise up and down the futures curve, stimulating new
technology and conservation. We might be running low on $20 oil,
but for $60 we have adequate oil supplies for decades to come."


----------------

$60/bbl for "decades to come"? How far from the wastebasket does one
need to stand to score 3 points with a paper wad?


According to his theory, $100/bbl will add a couple of more decades of
availability.

RCE

I don't know when that theory was expounded, but that $60/bbl oil
lasted maybe a few weeks or months. Certainly not "decades". We're
closing in on $80.


Chuck, the author was not claiming that a certain price would last for
decades. His point was that the higher the price, the longer remaining
oil supplies will last.

RCE

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"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
...
I think Richard was suggesting that your recent confrontational approach to
all your posts, has a tendency to turn a reasonable discussion into silly
name calling. I think he was suggesting that you find another thread to
destroy, but I could be wrong.

I do know he is smart enough to know this is a non moderated group, but he
was enjoying the discussion in this one.

--

Reggie


I don't think that is what he meant. But what business of yours is it
anyway?

Regardless, the day I take your advice on anything is the day gas is once
again selling for $1/gallon.

See ya.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

What makes you think I was giving you any advice?

--

Reggie


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"Reginald P. Smithers" ThatsMyStory.com wrote in message
...
I think Richard was suggesting that your recent confrontational approach
to all your posts, has a tendency to turn a reasonable discussion into
silly name calling. I think he was suggesting that you find another
thread to destroy, but I could be wrong.

I do know he is smart enough to know this is a non moderated group, but
he was enjoying the discussion in this one.

--

Reggie


I don't think that is what he meant. But what business of yours is it
anyway?

Regardless, the day I take your advice on anything is the day gas is once
again selling for $1/gallon.

See ya.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"Gorf" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Gorf" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"RCE" wrote in message
...
Again, stolen from another NG, the following is a portion of an
article
published in the "Economist".

It seems to refute some of the Peak Oil doom and gloom arguments.

The hell with "the peak". How about just doing our part to lower
prices?
Or,
are Americans too friggin' busy, lazy or stupid to make the effort?



Just like the tech bubble, the real and the estate bubble. The price
of
gas
is high right now because of speculators hoping to make money off of
it.
Because Bush has threatened Iran, and Iran has said that they would
block
the straight of Humus if attacked. Speculators on the commodity
market
are
driving up the price. Add to this artificial shortages due to the
implementation of "ethanol based" fuel.
If the Iran issue blows over, prices will plummet.

Why don't you buy a small fuel efficient car?





Iran just said they intend to share their nuclear technology with
Sudan.
This may not blow over.


Assume for a minute that political influences on the price of oil were
suddenly gone ... OPEC resumed setting reasonable oil prices and
everything
is hunky-dorey with the world.

Then, assume everybody that drives a car in the world got a flash of
insight
and traded in their current vehicles for replacements that got twice the
fuel mileage.

What would happen to the price of gas? Go up, down or stay the same?

I say it would double in price.

RCE

The capitalist law of supply and demand says that the price would drop.
But
of course as long as the government is in league with oil monopolies, you
are probably correct the price would go up....



I am sure it would double quickly, but not for government reasons.

Large, public corporations are controlled by the stockholders. By
stockholders, I don't mean John Q. Public's personal investments, but by
major institutional investors managing big money market and retirement
accounts.
These investors are as much interested, or more so, in revenues and the
steady growth of .... than in the minor quarterly swings in profits.

If the segment of oil company's revenues that are derived from gasoline
sales suddenly dropped by one half, these investors would be screaming for
the revenue deficit to be made up immediatately. The big oil companies
cannot afford to lose confidence in the investment banking community, and
would raise prices to make up the revenue deficit.

So, switching to high mpg cars may make you feel good, and, if you believe
the world is about to run out of oil you could convince yourself that you
are doing some good, but if you think it's going to control the price of a
gallon of gas, you are really misguided.

RCE

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Gorf" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Gorf" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"RCE" wrote in message
...
Again, stolen from another NG, the following is a portion of an
article
published in the "Economist".

It seems to refute some of the Peak Oil doom and gloom
arguments.

The hell with "the peak". How about just doing our part to lower
prices?
Or,
are Americans too friggin' busy, lazy or stupid to make the
effort?



Just like the tech bubble, the real and the estate bubble. The
price
of
gas
is high right now because of speculators hoping to make money off
of
it.
Because Bush has threatened Iran, and Iran has said that they would
block
the straight of Humus if attacked. Speculators on the commodity
market
are
driving up the price. Add to this artificial shortages due to the
implementation of "ethanol based" fuel.
If the Iran issue blows over, prices will plummet.

Why don't you buy a small fuel efficient car?





Iran just said they intend to share their nuclear technology with
Sudan.
This may not blow over.


Assume for a minute that political influences on the price of oil were
suddenly gone ... OPEC resumed setting reasonable oil prices and
everything
is hunky-dorey with the world.

Then, assume everybody that drives a car in the world got a flash of
insight
and traded in their current vehicles for replacements that got twice
the
fuel mileage.

What would happen to the price of gas? Go up, down or stay the same?

I say it would double in price.

RCE

The capitalist law of supply and demand says that the price would drop.
But
of course as long as the government is in league with oil monopolies,
you
are probably correct the price would go up....



I am sure it would double quickly, but not for government reasons.

Large, public corporations are controlled by the stockholders. By
stockholders, I don't mean John Q. Public's personal investments, but by
major institutional investors managing big money market and retirement
accounts.
These investors are as much interested, or more so, in revenues and the
steady growth of .... than in the minor quarterly swings in profits.

If the segment of oil company's revenues that are derived from gasoline
sales suddenly dropped by one half, these investors would be screaming
for
the revenue deficit to be made up immediatately. The big oil companies
cannot afford to lose confidence in the investment banking community,
and
would raise prices to make up the revenue deficit.

So, switching to high mpg cars may make you feel good, and, if you
believe
the world is about to run out of oil you could convince yourself that
you
are doing some good, but if you think it's going to control the price of
a
gallon of gas, you are really misguided.

RCE

Nope. You make the false assumption that the "big" oil companies are
colluding in setting prices. In reality, simple economics dictate
price.....supply and demand.