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"RG" wrote in message
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The thing is, I'm not suggesting government mandated anything. What I
*am* suggesting is that the government might be able to lose its
unwillingness to offend the auto industry, and present the public with
information would help them change their preferences. Why not? It's no
different than the advertising which makes people buy things, right?
People don't just buy based on their own preferences. They also do so
because humans are "clubby" - they want to be members of a group, no
matter how stupid the group may be. Sometimes they choose the wrong
group, sometimes not. But, effect one customer, and he/she may effect
others. Actually, that's a virtual certainty.

Wanting to belong is nothing more than a facet of personal preference.
The government can disseminate all the information it wants to, but it is
unlikely that it is telling anything to anyone that they don't already
know. Not terribly effective.

A good parallel here is the Surgeon's General warning on every pack of
cigarettes. Is there an American alive today that doesn't already know
the health risks of smoking? And yet it continues. But in reduced
numbers. However, I think the reduced numbers have much more to do with
the financial cost of a pack of cigs, versus any governmental educational
program. If you want to get an American's attention, speak to him through
his wallet.


Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other than
"I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome accessories on
it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he tows nothing? He
gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires a truck, like
carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor decides to become a
plumber, there are ways of giving him back his surcharge in future years. No
more buying a huge truck just because every 4 years, you need to bring home
a bale of peat moss.

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I'm paying very close attention, and I see the process at work. However,
this will not completely change those who don't understand the difference
between having the right to buy anything they want, and the concept of
whether their decisions are good ones for the country as a whole.

Your faith and hope is misplaced, grasshopper. If you expect the collective
Joe Lunchbucket to change their buying habits based upon a rising social
consciousness, be prepared to die old still waiting. Please secure at least
one of your feet to the ground. LBJ once said that if you want to get a
hound dog's attention, you grab him by his ears. If you want to get a
modern American's attention, go for their wallet.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Come on Doug, do you want to effect a change or not? You have to
lead by setting an example.





Go play stupid with someone else. Maybe your stapler is interested.


Personal attacks and insults only show you have nothing left to argue
with.

Now I could call you a bleeding heart hypocrite who wants everyone else
but himself to change...........but I won't. ;-)


What makes you think I haven't?


So did you sell your boat to lead by example?

BTW: What do you drive? What does your wife drive?


I drive a 6-cylinder Totota pickup, about 30 miles per week. My ex drives a
Subaru 4-cylinder.

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"RG" wrote in message
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I'm paying very close attention, and I see the process at work. However,
this will not completely change those who don't understand the difference
between having the right to buy anything they want, and the concept of
whether their decisions are good ones for the country as a whole.

Your faith and hope is misplaced, grasshopper. If you expect the
collective Joe Lunchbucket to change their buying habits based upon a
rising social consciousness, be prepared to die old still waiting. Please
secure at least one of your feet to the ground. LBJ once said that if you
want to get a hound dog's attention, you grab him by his ears. If you
want to get a modern American's attention, go for their wallet.


Unfortunately, you're right.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other than
"I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome accessories on
it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he tows nothing? He
gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires a truck, like
carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor decides to become a
plumber, there are ways of giving him back his surcharge in future years.
No more buying a huge truck just because every 4 years, you need to bring
home a bale of peat moss.


Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Come on Doug, do you want to effect a change or not? You have to
lead by setting an example.





Go play stupid with someone else. Maybe your stapler is interested.


Personal attacks and insults only show you have nothing left to argue
with.

Now I could call you a bleeding heart hypocrite who wants everyone else
but himself to change...........but I won't. ;-)


What makes you think I haven't?


So did you sell your boat to lead by example?

BTW: What do you drive? What does your wife drive?


I drive a 6-cylinder Totota pickup, about 30 miles per week. My ex drives
a Subaru 4-cylinder.


Looks like that Toyota is a real gas guzzler Doug.

http://trucks.about.com/od/truckbuyi...truck_fuel.htm

So did you sell your boat?

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"RCE" wrote in message
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Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE



That is, of course, unless you make me an offer I can't refuse.

RCE

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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other than
"I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome accessories on
it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he tows nothing? He
gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires a truck, like
carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor decides to become a
plumber, there are ways of giving him back his surcharge in future years.
No more buying a huge truck just because every 4 years, you need to bring
home a bale of peat moss.

Get it still, you don't. Trying to accomplish this change through
governmental taxation will only result in animosity and non-compliance. Not
to mention the fact that you'd never get Congress to agree on an approach.
Accomplishing it through a high cost of ownership due to high fuel bills and
wicked depreciation will happen with Congress doing what it does
best...nothing. The market always works...eventually. Trust the force,
Luke.

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other
than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires
a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor
decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back his
surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because every
4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.


Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE


And there we have it! Joe 2-pack has spoken. (They usually can't count to 6)

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Come on Doug, do you want to effect a change or not? You have to
lead by setting an example.





Go play stupid with someone else. Maybe your stapler is interested.


Personal attacks and insults only show you have nothing left to argue
with.

Now I could call you a bleeding heart hypocrite who wants everyone
else but himself to change...........but I won't. ;-)


What makes you think I haven't?


So did you sell your boat to lead by example?

BTW: What do you drive? What does your wife drive?


I drive a 6-cylinder Totota pickup, about 30 miles per week. My ex drives
a Subaru 4-cylinder.


Looks like that Toyota is a real gas guzzler Doug.

http://trucks.about.com/od/truckbuyi...truck_fuel.htm

Show me another good choice for towing a small boat. Has to be rear wheel
drive.


So did you sell your boat?


No, stupid. My boat uses 20 gallons of fuel in an average year, assuming
it's used every weekend between mid-May and late October, with some weekdays
thrown in.

Oh....and when I say "stupid", it's not a personal attack. It's a fact.