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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other
than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires
a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor
decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back his
surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because
every 4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.


Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE


And there we have it! Joe 2-pack has spoken. (They usually can't count to
6)


Doug, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more Joe 2-packs in
this world than you obviously realize.

RCE

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on
trucks, unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it,
other than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually
requires a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a
doctor decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back
his surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because
every 4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.


Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE


And there we have it! Joe 2-pack has spoken. (They usually can't count to
6)


Doug, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more Joe 2-packs in
this world than you obviously realize.

RCE


At least 54% that we've already quantified here in this country.

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Come on Doug, do you want to effect a change or not? You have to
lead by setting an example.





Go play stupid with someone else. Maybe your stapler is interested.


Personal attacks and insults only show you have nothing left to argue
with.

Now I could call you a bleeding heart hypocrite who wants everyone
else but himself to change...........but I won't. ;-)


What makes you think I haven't?


So did you sell your boat to lead by example?

BTW: What do you drive? What does your wife drive?


I drive a 6-cylinder Totota pickup, about 30 miles per week. My ex
drives a Subaru 4-cylinder.


Looks like that Toyota is a real gas guzzler Doug.

http://trucks.about.com/od/truckbuyi...truck_fuel.htm

Show me another good choice for towing a small boat. Has to be rear wheel
drive.

Sell your boat and you won't need that gas guzzler.

You are just another "do as I say and not as I do" preacher.




So did you sell your boat?


No, stupid.

Like a fox as can be seen by this discussion with you. Have a good one
Doug.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on
trucks, unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it,
other than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually
requires a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a
doctor decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back
his surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because
every 4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.


Y'all ain't gittin my truck, even if'in i hafta learn how to load the
bullits in my shotgun and carry it ona rack in the rear window!

RCE


And there we have it! Joe 2-pack has spoken. (They usually can't count to
6)


Doug, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more Joe 2-packs in
this world than you obviously realize.

RCE


And it looks like Doug is one of them based on what *he* drives. ;-)

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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No, stupid. My boat uses 20 gallons of fuel in an average year, assuming
it's used every weekend between mid-May and late October, with some
weekdays thrown in.


Not to take this to a level of absurdity, but .... are you sure that's all
the oil based product that it uses?

Do you have it hauled?
Do you keep it in a slip? (my guess is mooring .... that's better)
Do you bottom paint?
Do you clean it?
Do you lubricate it?

All told, is the total use of oil really necessary for something that is
purely for pleasure?

Tsk, tsk.

RCE

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RCE wrote:

Yes, common sense. If hybrids and being politically correct floats your
boat, do so without preaching.
If an Escalade floats your boat, do so, responsibly. The same applies for
everything in between.

RCE



Yes exactly. Funny you should use the phrase "float your boat". My
boat wouldn't get very far from driveway without the help of our Ford
Explorer. The KIA Rio that I run to work and back everyday sure don't
cut it in the trailering department. I realize that some people cannot
afford two vehicles. If we had to give up one, despite gas prices,
despite the "environment", it would probably be the Rio. The SUV is
just too useful.

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"RG" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other
than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires
a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor
decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back his
surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because every
4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.

Get it still, you don't. Trying to accomplish this change through
governmental taxation will only result in animosity and non-compliance.
Not to mention the fact that you'd never get Congress to agree on an
approach. Accomplishing it through a high cost of ownership due to high
fuel bills and wicked depreciation will happen with Congress doing what it
does best...nothing. The market always works...eventually. Trust the
force, Luke.



What do you do about the terminally stupid who can't understand cause and
effect?

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
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Cool. Now I'll get Stalin-esque. Slap an enormous, annual tax on trucks,
unless an owner can show that he actually has a purpose for it, other
than "I just wanted a Dodge with a hemi so I could hang chrome
accessories on it". No trailer registered to the same owner, meaning he
tows nothing? He gets taxed. Not in a profession which actually requires
a truck, like carpenters & landscapers? He gets taxed. If a doctor
decides to become a plumber, there are ways of giving him back his
surcharge in future years. No more buying a huge truck just because
every 4 years, you need to bring home a bale of peat moss.

Get it still, you don't. Trying to accomplish this change through
governmental taxation will only result in animosity and non-compliance.
Not to mention the fact that you'd never get Congress to agree on an
approach. Accomplishing it through a high cost of ownership due to high
fuel bills and wicked depreciation will happen with Congress doing what
it does best...nothing. The market always works...eventually. Trust the
force, Luke.



What do you do about the terminally stupid who can't understand cause and
effect?


Learn to live with them (us).

RCE

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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No, stupid. My boat uses 20 gallons of fuel in an average year, assuming
it's used every weekend between mid-May and late October, with some
weekdays thrown in.


Not to take this to a level of absurdity, but .... are you sure that's all
the oil based product that it uses?

Do you have it hauled?

Towed by me. Subtracts about 1 mpg for the towing vehicle, based on an
average of many trips.

Do you keep it in a slip? (my guess is mooring .... that's better)

No slip. It's a 14' yacht.

Do you bottom paint?
Nope.

Do you clean it?
Just water, and the occasional splash of dish liquid for the fish smell.


Do you lubricate it?
Obviously.


All told, is the total use of oil really necessary for something that is
purely for pleasure?

Tsk, tsk.

RCE

Peak Oil - counterargument
 

Get it still, you don't. Trying to accomplish this change through
governmental taxation will only result in animosity and non-compliance.
Not to mention the fact that you'd never get Congress to agree on an
approach. Accomplishing it through a high cost of ownership due to high
fuel bills and wicked depreciation will happen with Congress doing what
it does best...nothing. The market always works...eventually. Trust the
force, Luke.



What do you do about the terminally stupid who can't understand cause and
effect?

Well eventually, the terminally part of your description will become
operative. In the meantime, let them pay through the nose. But when it
costs $200 to fill up the tank of their truck, do you really think even the
dimmest bulb won't get a clue? That level of witlessness is not typically
found in the company of unlimited financial resources.