On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:52:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Actually, it is a Skipper v. Skipper thread. I'm not playing his game.

Thank you.

Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:

Based on the beam of the Parker, 9ft 6in, I'll grant that the overall
towing experience would be easier with the Grady. At least I wouldn't have
to get a permit for each state.

Now, lets get on the water. Between the two, which would be preferable for
the trip across the sea? Why?

You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's
the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay.
Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would
be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious
reasons.

Most boaters do not find the Cortez the same ol' same 'ol. A Cortez
adventure is special on many levels. The diving is great, the fishing
even better. The atmosphere is friendly and layed back. A night cruise
over those waters is something to be remembered with the soft glow of
those highly phosphorescent waters, a glow that will burn into your
being. To really experience the Cortez, your own hull is required.

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When was your last trip to the Cortes and when is your next trip? If
you need someone to handle the dock lines let me know.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:00:22 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:

My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much
larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in
interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady.
Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most
areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for
overnighting between legs.

Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One
I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for
anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it.

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered.

In looking at the pics, I couldn't see a whole lot of difference in the
bunks, or the cuddy for that matter. Besides, with all the room on the deck
of the Grady, I'd probably use a thermarest and sleep outside.
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:11:07 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

how good is a one armed
fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing?

The important question is how can you do that and drink beer at the
same time?

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:42:10 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?


I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a
Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?
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Who really cares what he thinks?


Well, I must, or I wouldn't have asked the question.

Is that OK?
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:17:01 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?

I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

I've already conceded the towing aspect. Given the extra width, the Parker
would probably require more care when towing and permits for each state.
That would be a big PITA.

Now. back to my question.
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JimH wrote:

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before Spring
launch.

Tow it to the lake!

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of
the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to
trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady
would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the
total picture, IMO.
I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with
stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I
just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances.
I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its
high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier
to tow.

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.
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Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get
permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are
so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of
attention.

Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the
marina to the ramp. No permit needed.

The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is
if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've
got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec
Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch
from the public ramp under the bridge.

I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place.
They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper
than Harbor Cove though.

Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you
heard anything about them?
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:20:57 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.

There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of
the respective boats.

Conceded. But, I'd never buy a boat for its towing profile, What, on the
water, would make you prefer the 228 Grady to the 2520xl Parker?
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Harry Krause wrote:

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much
larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the
main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner,
and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and
opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head
up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations.
Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about
8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full
bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder.

How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are.
You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about
towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively.

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Skipper