There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.

Its TV picture does not deteriorate like the plasma's. Additionally, the
plasma consumes 3 to 4 times more power.

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Skipper

that time, we be watching hologram TV.

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html

There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.

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Skipper
Skipper,
You just convinced me to wait a few years, it seems the technology is
changing so quickly I am going to wait for the dust to settle. I don't
want to buy a "Beta VCR".

In reality, with 2 kids in college, I was going to wait anyway. ')


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Reggie
******

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000
hours
or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It
makes
sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell
of
gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light
is
emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to
it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas
does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a
filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of
becoming
unusable.

Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then.

Richard,
I had a salesman tell me the expected life of both plasma and LCD was 8
- 10 yrs. Since I couldn't imagine them underestimated the life, I went
searching on the Internet to see what I could find. It seems the
manufacturer. orginally underestimated the lifespan. According to this
article, you are basically correct. They did disagree that the gas
reverts back to the original state, they state it will lose it's
brightness over time, but very gradually, after 50,000 hrs, it will be
at 50% of brightness. By that time, we be watching hologram TV.

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html

There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.

--
Skipper

Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the
view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees.

Eisboch

Reggie Smithers wrote:

There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.

Skipper,
You just convinced me to wait a few years, it seems the technology is
changing so quickly I am going to wait for the dust to settle. I don't
want to buy a "Beta VCR".

In reality, with 2 kids in college, I was going to wait anyway. ')

Really, the Samsung DLP is a great picture and at the right price TODAY.
Check the 'big screen TV' reviews that compare plasma, LCD, vacuum, and
DLP technologies. You'll get a view of the competing systems. Remember,
we go full digital in '09. You'll just be seeing more and more letterbox
in the interim.

--
Skipper

Eisboch wrote:

There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.

Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the
view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees.

Now this IS getting interesting. Kinda reminds me of that old boat
discussion over 'compomise'...and we do know that some contend they have
"no compromise" boats. However, at least for most of us, compromise is a
fact of life.

LIFESPAN

DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours.
What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some
cases. Certain DLP TV displays require a technician to change their
bulbs, and this will cost you more than the lamp itself. In other cases,
though, the DLP is configured in a way that makes it easy for a
layperson to replace burned-out bulbs. It all depends on the make and
model of your DLP.

And, since DLP is a mirror and light technology, once the bulb is
replaced, the DLP should perform as well as it did when it was brand
new.

Plasma, by contrast, uses a small electric pulse for each pixel to
excite the rare natural gases argon, neon, and xenon (a k a "phosphors")
to produce the color information and light. As electrons excite the
phosphors, oxygen atoms dissipate. These rare gases actually have a life
and fade over time. Manufacturers of plasma have estimated the life of
these phosphors to be about 60,000 hours. The life of the plasma display
itself is usually determined by half-life of the phosphors. So at 30,000
hours the phosphors will be at their half-life, and the viewer will be
seeing an image that has half the brightness capability that it did when
originally purchased. This should be a good point at which to consider
its life over. The gases in plasma TVs cannot be replaced. There is no
phenomenon of "pumping" new gases into a plasma display.

Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:22:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
news
They estimate a perfect LCD or plasma will last about 10 yrs.

--
Reggie
******
Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours
or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes
sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of
gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is
emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to
it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas
does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a
filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming
unusable.

Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then.

i was told by a highly reputable appliance/tv dealer that the plasma
noticeably weakens about the three year mark and some manufacturers
are replacing tvs because of it.
From my quick look see on the Internet, it appears that was a problem
the first few years, hopefully they are getting better.

--
Reggie
******

"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you
speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a
day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event
(or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only
once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly
recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise
records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary
guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe
Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio
options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended).

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you
speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a
day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event
(or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only
once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG -
highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD
(Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest
contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and
a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems,
the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS
(recommended).

Eisboch


For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some
shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld
or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH
is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one
or two per week.

We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable:

Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon
to add another at the treadmill).
Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office.
2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms

I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD
set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms.
I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14
years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36"
HD CRT set. ;-)

Skipper wrote:
Eisboch wrote:


There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have
been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP.


Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the
view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees.


Now this IS getting interesting. Kinda reminds me of that old boat
discussion over 'compomise'...and we do know that some contend they have
"no compromise" boats. However, at least for most of us, compromise is a
fact of life.

LIFESPAN

DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours.
What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some
cases. Certain DLP TV displays require a technician to change their
bulbs, and this will cost you more than the lamp itself. In other cases,
though, the DLP is configured in a way that makes it easy for a
layperson to replace burned-out bulbs. It all depends on the make and
model of your DLP.

And, since DLP is a mirror and light technology, once the bulb is
replaced, the DLP should perform as well as it did when it was brand
new.

Plasma, by contrast, uses a small electric pulse for each pixel to
excite the rare natural gases argon, neon, and xenon (a k a "phosphors")
to produce the color information and light. As electrons excite the
phosphors, oxygen atoms dissipate. These rare gases actually have a life
and fade over time. Manufacturers of plasma have estimated the life of
these phosphors to be about 60,000 hours. The life of the plasma display
itself is usually determined by half-life of the phosphors. So at 30,000
hours the phosphors will be at their half-life, and the viewer will be
seeing an image that has half the brightness capability that it did when
originally purchased. This should be a good point at which to consider
its life over. The gases in plasma TVs cannot be replaced. There is no
phenomenon of "pumping" new gases into a plasma display.

Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper


I wondered about those little mirrors. Don't they turn to either reflect
or avoid light from the bulb. Would that be a potential problem?
Who's gonna clean those thousand little mirrors?

JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you
speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a
day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event
(or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only
once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG -
highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD
(Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest
contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and
a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems,
the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS
(recommended).

Eisboch



For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some
shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld
or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH
is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one
or two per week.

We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable:

Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon
to add another at the treadmill).
Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office.
2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms

I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD
set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms.
I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14
years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36"
HD CRT set. ;-)




Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most
manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted
to 32" max in the near future.