"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that
monkeys do
mate with chimpanzee.

Not sure about that, but obivously his family tree only has one branch
with a few loops in it :-)

Too much chlorine in the gene pool.

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NOYB wrote:
I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.

200? Shucks, if you type in "Nobby", "Moron", and "Bestiality" you get
more Google hits than that.

The history references I am familiar with do not refer to any of these
guys as poor speakers.


Well now you should be familiar with 200 more...several of which are
historians who specifically studied Jefferson's life.



Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.


Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Well, you selected this list as "proof" that "poor speakers are the the
most brilliant" and your selected list was neither notably brilliant
(except Jefferson) nor notably poor speakers (except that Jefferson was
rarely an impressive speaker, and may have been occasionally referenced
as a poor one).

None of the people you listed were referred as mumbling and
mispronouncing words

Truman used to butcher words.

, misusing words, and generally giving the
impression of being an illiterate dolt when speaking in public.


The media used to snicker both publicly and behind Truman's back. It's in
the paragraph I cited for you.

So your theory remains unproven and supported mainly by your willingness
to hurl insults. Better line up the sock puppets to join in, it won't
prove anything but it'll make you feel better.

Blind, ignorant, *and* acting like an ass is no way to go through life,
Doug. Right, comrade?

I liked it better when you guys on the left all emulated Harry...rather than
emulating basskisser. There have been some serious disruptions in your
brain patterns lately.

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****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.
Been to a play on Peachtree?
Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?

That's nearly an hour away!

Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)
Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?
Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?
Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?

And the one that most people dread having to travel through. When I fly to
Chicago, if I can't find a direct flight, I'll pass up flights with
connecting stops in Atlanta for ones that stop anywhere but.


Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?

Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?
Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?
Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?
Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?
Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?

Turner's a dolt. And I hate the Braves.

(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?
I could go on....

And I'm sure you will...

NOYB wrote:
Well now you should be familiar with 200 more...several of which are
historians who specifically studied Jefferson's life.

Sure. And so, the few who say that Jefferson was definitely a poor
speaker absolutely over rule the ones that either make no mention or
cite incidents when Jefferson made some good & effective speeches?

The problem is that your blinders are strapped on a little too tightly.

To get back to your original point... of the list you cited, only
Jefferson could be considered "brilliant." And it's arguable whether he
was a poor speaker or not.... everybody has an off day y'know.

If this is how you support your contention that GWB must be brilliant
because he talks like a moron, then it looks like you've lost again.

Blind, ignorant, *and* acting like an ass is no way to go through life,
Doug.

Nice. Can I quote you on that?

... Right, comrade?

You're the closet Socialist, not I.


I liked it better when you guys on the left all emulated Harry...rather than
emulating basskisser.

Which guys? I'm not 'on the left' and I have never emulated either. Your
blinders are definitely too tight.

"All looks yellow to a jaundiced eye" -old folk saying.

There have been some serious disruptions in your
brain patterns lately.

Then why are you the one losing the debate?

DSK

NOYB,
It is so funny watching asskisser make a fool out of himself, how anyone
could misread your post is beyond me ( but then again, we are talking about
asskisser, the guy who argued for weeks that schnapps is a whiskey, and
can't seem to understand that Gore-Tex makes a thread.)


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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor
speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."


http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent
man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter,
Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

No, you idiot. I've stated that many historically "poor speakers" were
brilliant men...which is why you shouldn't judge someone's intelligence
based solely on his ability (or lack of ability) to speak in public.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:03:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Did any of the last 4 or 5 Presidents? Clinton had 8 years and we're
more
reliant on oil today than when he took office.

If we had followed Carter's initiatives we might now be energy
independent.

Of course we would. Afterall, bankrupt countires don't need oil and gas.



Ummm...it was Reagan who thought running the country on a Visa card was a
swell idea.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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...now referred to as "fluency" by speech pathologists...

Are you f-ing kidding me? So a "stuttering oriental" is now a "fluent
asian"?

More PC bull****.

OK. So, it would be OK with you if a pediatrician said to you,
"Hey...peckerhead....you're kid's a retard". :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:03:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Did any of the last 4 or 5 Presidents? Clinton had 8 years and
we're
more
reliant on oil today than when he took office.

If we had followed Carter's initiatives we might now be energy
independent.

Of course we would. Afterall, bankrupt countires don't need oil and
gas.



Ummm...it was Reagan who thought running the country on a Visa card was a
swell idea.


Carter presided over one of the lowest points economically in this nation's
history. Reagan brought a new beginning. We were like a company in its
infancy once again. New companies have to spend with credit when they're
starting out.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
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Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few
Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?

"With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will
kick
your
nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look
at
my
face. I'm an Oriental."

Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987)




Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more
education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I
said
that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies.



Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious
books...

Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer
than
38 seconds to read....

That's because of my adult ADD.


I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz:
http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm

I guess I'm in good company though:
http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm



Time for excuses, eh?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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...now referred to as "fluency" by speech pathologists...

Are you f-ing kidding me? So a "stuttering oriental" is now a
"fluent
asian"?

More PC bull****.

OK. So, it would be OK with you if a pediatrician said to you,
"Hey...peckerhead....you're kid's a retard". :-)

That depends. If his head was really a penis, and his kid was really
retarded, then it would be appropriate IMO.