"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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.... NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are
actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote people
in/from Greece


NOYB wrote:
I never said that.

Oh? Then you agree that George W. Bush Jr. is a moron for using it that
way?

Some people who do not speak well in front of TV cameras or large
audiences,
are terrific speakers in smaller discussion groups, at social functions,
and
in one-on-one dialogue. I believe this describes Bush. Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.



Oh no...now we're back to THAT rationalization again? If speaking makes him
nervous, I don't want to find out what happens if he ever has to decide
whether to push the big red button.

NOYB wrote:
Some people who do not speak well in front of TV cameras or large audiences,
are terrific speakers in smaller discussion groups, at social functions, and
in one-on-one dialogue. I believe this describes Bush.

OK, but that doesn't make it fact.

My own belief is that incoherent speech or writing indicates incoherent
thought. Not fact either.

... Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

Uh huh. And do you think that GWB went in front of that committee and
spoke his mind, with no prep and no rehearsing?


So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.

If it was just misusing a word now and then, I'd agree. But he rambles
like a moron and misuses words constantly. He's actually funnier than
the people who mimic him... or at least, he would be if it weren't so
scary that he is actually the President.

BTW thanks for letting me make this point. Good work, comrade!

DSK

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Doug Kanter wrote:

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Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few
Asians

you

meet and see sort of reaction you get?

"With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will
kick

your

nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look
at
my
face. I'm an Oriental."

Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987)




Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years
more
education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I
said
that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies.



Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious
books...


I don't think "They Still Call Me Bruce" was offered in written
format.
I'll be sure to check next time I'm at my local library.




You know, despite your absolute ignorance, social ineptitude, bad
manners and political incorrectness, I'd still go fishing with you and
possibly let you examine my toofs. Even though you really are an
asshole.

Top that.

If that ever happens, please give me advance notice. I'll bring the
cinder
blocks, chains, and ammo.


You guys sure have funny ways of catching fish up north.




I was referring to the possibility of it being a one way trip for you.

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I imagine these same ****wits who are insisting
"Grecian" is correct also still want to call Asians
"Orientals".

Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?



Here's a neat link, Doug. The term "Oriental" rates a big, fat ZERO
on
the
"disparagement scale" of the "Offensiveness Quotient".

Look at the definition of "oriental" in ANY on-line
dictionary (we know you don't own a printed one). The
definition meaning "Asian person" is ALWAYS indicated
as offensive. Always.


Not he

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Oriental

or here

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oriental%20person

or here

http://www.wordiq.com/dictionary/oriental.html

In fact, I cannot find anything on the net that refers to the use of the
word Oriental as offensive.

I found an online dictionary site that refers to it as offensive...but that
matters not. ****tard clearly said "ANY online dictionary"...and you've
posted at least three examples contrary to his claim.

When I was younger, the term "Oriental" wasn't offensive. Somehow, it's
slowly becoming an offensive term.

When my grandmother was younger, the term she used for black people (can you
still say "black people" nowadays?) was "colored"...and it wasn't
offensive. During my entire life, the term has been offensive.

It all boils down to this: if a non-white person calls an oriental an
oriental, then it's ok. If a white person says it, then it's offensive.

"jim--" wrote in message
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I imagine these same ****wits who are insisting
"Grecian" is correct also still want to call Asians
"Orientals".

Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?



Here's a neat link, Doug. The term "Oriental" rates a big, fat ZERO
on
the
"disparagement scale" of the "Offensiveness Quotient".

Look at the definition of "oriental" in ANY on-line
dictionary (we know you don't own a printed one). The
definition meaning "Asian person" is ALWAYS indicated
as offensive. Always.


Not he

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Oriental

or here

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oriental%20person

or here

http://www.wordiq.com/dictionary/oriental.html

In fact, I cannot find anything on the net that refers to the use of the
word Oriental as offensive.

Don't get out much? It's on par with "negro". That might not get you smacked
in the mouth if you said it to a black man, but I guarantee you'd be the
subject of disparaging remarks.

"****turd" wrote in message news:4AHxc.7972

You STOOOOOOOOPIDLY ....

Nice touch, the way you extend the word for emphasis. Shows initiative.


.....chose to try to defend it, because
you're an unthinking, uncritical, stupid conservative
****bag.

Don't sugar-coat it! We can take it! Say what you mean!

LOL

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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.... NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are
actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote people
in/from Greece


NOYB wrote:
I never said that.

Oh? Then you agree that George W. Bush Jr. is a moron for using it that
way?

Some people who do not speak well in front of TV cameras or large
audiences,
are terrific speakers in smaller discussion groups, at social functions,
and
in one-on-one dialogue. I believe this describes Bush. Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

Having spoken with him personally, and then watching how he changed when the
cameras and microphones were stuck in his face......I would agree
completely.


So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.

"John H" wrote in message
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Is that the new 'pass-fail' criteria now? If you and/or DSK don't
approve,
then
no one in the group approves? I don't remember subscribing to that
philosophy!

Read it again, John. This exercise is NOT based on opinions. It is based
on
simple numbers. NOYB will not find 10 examples of modern usage of the
word
"Grecian". If somehow he does, we only need to count them, not judge
them.


Doug, do you realize how much you are emulating b'asskisser?

John H

I'm an original, John. I emulate nobody. But, I can't help it if some people
follow me around.

"DSK" wrote in message
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... Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had
to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

Uh huh. And do you think that GWB went in front of that committee and
spoke his mind, with no prep and no rehearsing?

There was grumbling among committee members because Bush told them he'd give
them just an hour of his time. I translated that to mean that an hour is as
much of an attention span as he could muster.



So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.

If it was just misusing a word now and then, I'd agree. But he rambles
like a moron and misuses words constantly. He's actually funnier than
the people who mimic him... or at least, he would be if it weren't so
scary that he is actually the President.

Last week, he spewed some nonsense about how if we'd drilled for oil in
Alaska in the early to mid 1990s, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.
That was the best he could come up with as a solution to our oil dependency.
Fortunately, NPR followed Bush's wisdom with some facts presented by oil
experts, who explained how wrong the knucklehead was.

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Some people who do not speak well in front of TV cameras or large
audiences,
are terrific speakers in smaller discussion groups, at social functions,
and
in one-on-one dialogue. I believe this describes Bush.

OK, but that doesn't make it fact.

My own belief is that incoherent speech or writing indicates incoherent
thought.

I don't buy that. History has shown that some of the most brilliant people
were very poor speakers.

Of course, it's natural to assume that people who mangle words when speaking
publicly are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Afterall, they don't
exactly sound "smart" when they're butchering their native language.

I think the only way to know is to spend time with a person talking
one-on-one on a personal level. That's why Bush is so effective when he's
meeting with the other World leaders in person.


... Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had
to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

Uh huh. And do you think that GWB went in front of that committee and
spoke his mind, with no prep and no rehearsing?

Yes.



So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.

If it was just misusing a word now and then, I'd agree. But he rambles
like a moron and misuses words constantly. He's actually funnier than
the people who mimic him... or at least, he would be if it weren't so
scary that he is actually the President.

BTW thanks for letting me make this point. Good work, comrade!

You're welcome.