"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...


Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?

"With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick
your
nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at
my
face. I'm an Oriental."

Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987)




Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more
education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I
said
that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies.



Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious
books...

Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than
38 seconds to read....

That's because of my adult ADD.


I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz:
http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm

I guess I'm in good company though:
http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
...


Hi Don! Go Lightening! ;-)

Rub it in! Did you see who was voted most valuable player? A good 'ole
Maritime boy from Prince Edward Island.
He gave our Mooseheads jr hockey club fits when we hosted the Memorial Cup
in 2000.
see http://canoe.ca/CHLMemorialCup00/

"John H" wrote in message Some slack, please. I
do math (as best I can), not spelling, grammar and
punctuation.

I'll try to do better, Don.


Thank you...thank you very much!

"Joe" wrote in message ...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

If that ever happens, please give me advance notice. I'll bring the cinder
blocks, chains, and ammo.


You're getting more and more like basskisser all the time.

And JoeTechnician is getting dumber and dumber all the time.

John H wrote in message
Read it again, John. This exercise is NOT based on opinions. It is based on
simple numbers. NOYB will not find 10 examples of modern usage of the word
"Grecian". If somehow he does, we only need to count them, not judge them.


Doug, do you realize how much you are emulating b'asskisser?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?

"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

DSK wrote in message ...
****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK

I'm not actually a huge Varsity fan.

DSK wrote in message ...
****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.
Been to a play on Peachtree?
Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?
Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)
Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?
Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?
Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?
Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?
Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?
Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?
Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?
Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?
Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?
(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?
I could go on....

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

Hey NOYB, you got a bite. This one is not a keeper though.

Thanks for the good laugh asskisser. You really do not have a clue, do you?