On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:58:31 -0400, DSK wrote:

Need to do a little catching up?


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No - I don't think so.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avhorn2.html#m2

Want to take a second look? You seem to be confused between the Hornet
and the Super Hornet.

No, I think your confused. I referenced the F/A 18 E - as in Super
Hornet.

"F/A 18 E is the next best replacement and from what I hear, it's
everything the Tomcat was, even if it's a little smaller."

The F/A 18 E is a Super Hornet.

Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.

Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time
(altough the Air Force insists they cheat).

Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?

Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower
$$ cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the
F-14's. I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's were
still working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

No, I don't

The F/A-18 went into service in the early '80's. My uncle was on the
acquisiton team for the USMC and he was CO of MAG-11 when they came into
service in the USMC. MAG-11 was the first group to get the F/A-18 in the
Corps.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time (altough
the Air Force insists they cheat).

There's no cheaters in a dogfight, there's only winners and losers.


Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?

They don't have a choice, they will be flying the F-35 and the F/A-18 E/F's.

Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower $$
cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.

The Marine Corps has never flown the F-14. The F-14 is the Navy's fleet
defense fighter. Notice I said it is the Navy's fleet defense fighter.

"Don White" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the
F-14's. I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's
were still working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and
USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

DSK

Poor Bert. Even the Canadian Military have been flying the F18's for
years. As a matter of fact, most need serious updating as their systems
are considered obsolete.

Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more about
the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.

Bert Robbins wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time (altough
the Air Force insists they cheat).


There's no cheaters in a dogfight, there's only winners and losers.


Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?


They don't have a choice, they will be flying the F-35 and the F/A-18 E/F's.


Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower $$
cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.


The Marine Corps has never flown the F-14. The F-14 is the Navy's fleet
defense fighter. Notice I said it is the Navy's fleet defense fighter.

Bert Robbins wrote:
Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more about
the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.


You don't know jack about anything, which is why you 1- use such
language 2- hold certain political beliefs

The F/A 18 was being deployed when I was still in the Navy, the F-4,
A-4, and A-7 were being phased out.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more
about the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.


You don't know jack about anything, which is why you 1- use such language
2- hold certain political beliefs

The F/A 18 was being deployed when I was still in the Navy, the F-4, A-4,
and A-7 were being phased out.

And, when were you "still in the Navy?"

Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"



Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7
were being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only
that you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7 were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D models
to be phased out.