When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:56:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Some people bitch a bit too much. Learn to cut some slack and deal
with it.

We both know why you jumped into THIS particular discussion, don't we,
Dave?
:-)


No, why don't you tell us?

Dave

No, Dave. It's not my job to help you with these things.

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Bob D." wrote in message
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Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours
before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you
up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their
muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep
deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You
ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your
damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in
general".

This actually happened to me! First of all I live in a duplex in an older
neighborhood where the houses are less than fifteen feet away from each
other with a driveway within that space. The older kid next door had a
two cycle Suzuki motorcycle. From early spring until late fall when it
wasn't raining, he'd walk the motorcycle out of the garage at 6:30am (1.5
hours before I rise) and start it up. Since it would stall in gear if it
wasn't warmed up, he spent five minutes reving the throttle. Since it was
in the driveway between houses, it amplified the sound.

When I finally saw his parents in their yard, I mentioned the problem and
asked if he could walk the bike the extra forty feet, so it was in the
front yard and not between houses. In addition I asked he let the bike
idle warm instead of reving the throttle. They apologized for the problem
and directed their son as I suggested. While you could still hear the
sound, it no longer startled you awake.

By contrast, I have a beater Geo Tracker with a loud exhaust. The car has
almost 180,000 miles, so I have no plans to pour money into this car.
When I use this car, in an effort to be considerate, I start the car and
leave immediately. If I get home after 10pm, I either park on a side
street and walk to my door, or shut my engine off and coast up the
driveway. If someone came to me with this car as a problem, I'd give them
due consideration, patching the exhaust, parking on the street, or dumping
the car.

I think the point alot of people are missing is you have a small minority
of people who behave without regard for anyone around them. When they are
confronted by others being impacted by their lack of consideration, who
try to reason with them in hopes of working out your differences, they
either still don't give a ****, or worse, get outraged towards the person
they've impacted for not "letting things slide".

I don't agree with Doug's specific comments about ignoring distress calls,
or watching a boat burn, but then again, I'm not taking what he says
literally as much reading in stating two underlying points:

1. It takes so little effort and time to show consideration for other
people.

2. You can't go through life not giving a **** about the people around
you,
while carrying expectations that everyone should give a **** about
you.

When people forget or ignore these simple truisms, which IMHO are needed
for society to function, all bets are off. Forget them and antagonize
someone who is having a bad day, and bad things can happen. When bad
things do happen to the social offender, while the punishment might not
fit the crime, I have a hard time considering them to be the victim, so in
an effort to avoid these "bad things" I would suggest:

3. Never assume somone's inconsideration towards you is a deliberate
act.

I personally will act with goodwill and assume the person committing their
offense to me is goodhearted but oblivious as to their actions. As such,
I will ignore it if it is the first time the offense occurred with that
party, if the action could be deemed as non-deliberate, AND the action
doesn't persist for a great deal of time. If those criteria are not met,
I will tactfully talk with them in hopes of reaching a solution.
Sometimes the solution consists only of hearing a reasonable explanation
as to why the offending behavior is occuring.

Should these steps fail, I'm moving further into Doug's camp. Oh I won't
ignore that distress call or refuse to help save their boat, but when I
help them, I'll be reminding them who I was and how they offended me,
smiling, knowing there's a little divine justice in my small corner of the
world. In addition, should they continue their actions, I'll do whatever
is necessary to lessen their action's impact upon me, stop their actions,
or teach them consideration, regardless of the consequences, as I have
absolutely no desire to live in a world where inconsideration for others
becomes an acceptable behavior.

In the case Doug presented, should I go through all the actions he
described: Tolerance, communication, inaction from the authorities, then
being told to screw myself. It will come down to three choices for the
inconsidrate *******. Fix your exhaust. Compromise with me and learn to
leave quickly and get use to being a little less comfortable on your drive
to work in the winter, or be alot less comfortable changing tires in that
same winter climate.

For those who think "rubbing their nose in their own mess" is wrong for
dogs or people, I've trained several dogs, and many people (when I had
to) that way, and they seemed to learn the intended lesson just fine. For
those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.

Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
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When you are a victim, you'll admit to enjoying swift justice.


You must think we're idiots. You're no average citizen. You're a ticking
time bomb and when you explode the newspaper will quote neighbors
wringing their hands and saying, 'We had no idea'.

In many threads you have advocated violent actions against people or
animals you believe to have violated your personal space or rights.

Keep back-pedalling though.

-- Charlie

I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too. I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.

Keep back-pedalling. It might be helpful in backing away from that line.

-- Charlie

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

In article , Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
nk.net...

I picked my current property and house carefully. I don't have neighbors
except for on one side. After a few "anal" types in my previous

experience

I wanted to minimize any chances for that occuring again.

Sheesh.


Having normal neighbours around could interfer with your antics, eh?





Henry's former neighbors objected to his shooting his guns at anything
that cast a shadow on his lawn.

LoL, actually I have a police officer neighbor a few door away that shoots
snakes in his yard. He is deathly afraid of snakes and his house backs
up to a bayou.

We have 8 foot brick walls around our yards here and the echo/amplification
effect is very disconcerting early in the morning.

Normal citizens can't get away with that kind of behavior. I have snakes
in my yard too but most of them are benign. I choose to use a shovel
to dispatch anything that is poisonous such as the 4-foot copperhead
my Dachshunds alerted to recently.

I had a rattlesnake under my truck when I first moved in. Rattlers are
not as common around these parts and are usually found closer to the
coast. He attacked my truck tire and tried to bite it a couple of times.
I ran over it backing out of the driveway and it slithered off.

I gave my police officer neighbor some .22 shot shells for Christmas.
Less chance of richochet.

As far as guns and shooting go though, there was a lot of more of that
sort of thing going on when I had to work and live in Detroit years ago.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
nk.net...

I picked my current property and house carefully. I don't have
neighbors
except for on one side. After a few "anal" types in my previous

experience

I wanted to minimize any chances for that occuring again.

Sheesh.


Having normal neighbours around could interfer with your antics, eh?





Henry's former neighbors objected to his shooting his guns at anything
that cast a shadow on his lawn.

Henry thinks *I'm* the type who does that! Interesting range of
interpretations in this thread. :-)

Actually just blatant Texas stereotyping...

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would youboard someone else's boat??
 

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
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You would ignore somebody in an emergency over petty-ass bull****
and
help
their boat sink, burn or crash? Really?


Ya, here again we have an example of the tolerance and humanity of
liberalism.

If you see a cat about to pounce on a bird, do you go out of your way to
stop the event?


Firstly, I don't equate human life with animal life as you have done by
your asking this assine question.

"assine" ???

Secondly, I take no pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of
another human being (or animal), as it appears you do, simply because
they have in done nothing more than **** me off with noise.

Turn this around. Do you personally suffer if you're watching a nature show
on TV which shows lions eating gazelle, or owls & hawks eating rodents?

I don't know why we have to keep turning things around. I take no
pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of another human being (or animal).

That statement is unambiguous.

You believe it is appropriate to take pleasure in the suffering or death
of a human or animal if they have done something which has offended you.
You have expressed your position of withholding help from an individual
in a life threatening situation because that person previously offended
you. Obviously, you derive some self satisfaction, some vengeance by
seeing that person suffer and possibly die.


You're a selfish and tightly wound individual, Douggie. Keep it up and
you'll certainly cross the line from using the law for your vengeance to
vigilante.

Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in general".

What comes through loud and clear in your posts is that you are an
intolerant individual who has expressed both aggressive actions and
inaction towards fellow-humans in dire need of help, simply because they
have angered you by their careless or rude actions.

I lived next door to a neighbor-from-hell for 9 1/2 years. Never ever
did I wish the man dead or withhold help from him.

You (and krause) are a poster-boys for the oft repeated liberal lie
about caring for your fellow man.

-- Charlie

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Charles" wrote in message
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Turn this around. Do you personally suffer if you're watching a nature
show
on TV which shows lions eating gazelle, or owls & hawks eating rodents?

I don't know why we have to keep turning things around. I take no
pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of another human being (or
animal).

That statement is unambiguous.

You believe it is appropriate to take pleasure in the suffering or death
of a human or animal if they have done something which has offended you.
You have expressed your position of withholding help from an individual
in a life threatening situation because that person previously offended
you. Obviously, you derive some self satisfaction, some vengeance by
seeing that person suffer and possibly die.

I take no pleasure in seeing animals killed & eaten. It just is the way it
is. And, I don't go gunning for people who've offended me. But, at some
point, people *do* get swept into the evolutionary continuum, which
basically says that if you make mistakes, **** happens to you and you don't
get to pass along your genetic material. If you **** off 100 boaters in a
marina constantly for a long period of time, those boaters may do nothing
when you're not there and your boat begins sinking. If you create a
situation with one highly probable outcome, and that turns out to be the
outcome, you have no right to wonder why you got the thing you designed.



I lived next door to a neighbor-from-hell for 9 1/2 years. Never ever
did I wish the man dead or withhold help from him.

I see where your anger comes from. You were a patsy for 9-1/2 years and you
feel bitter about it. I'm not suggesting that you should've killed your
neighbor. But, there are ways to begin and end a legal process so fast that
the neighbor doesn't have time to even think about it. If you didn't have
the balls for that, it's YOUR problem.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and innocent
animals is one sick puppy.

Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider "normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really ought
to think before you hurl, boy.

Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a
damaged tomato plant?

I repeat. You are one sick puppy.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and
innocent
animals is one sick puppy.

Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider
"normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really
ought
to think before you hurl, boy.

Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a
damaged tomato plant?

I repeat. You are one sick puppy.

Actually, Henry, a garden *does* fall under that definition. These laws were
almost eliminated as farms began to vanish, but in many places, they were
kept intact because of the victory garden movement during World War II. The
current legal argument is that flowers have no intrinsic value unless
they're raised by a commercial grower. But, food *does* have value to anyone
who grows it. Therefore, any food garden is defined as a farm.

Sorry to burst your bubble.....

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Doug Kanter wrote:
I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too.

But Doug, they don't really believe in personaly responsibility at all.
Nor to they want to see everyone (especially not their Beloved Anointed
Leader) held accountable. To them, it's just empty words intended to
bludgeon those damn libby-rulls.



... I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.

Only if those criminals were undeserving minorities.

BTW with regard to the muffler situation, sugar in the gas tank is a
guaranteed way to fix a noisy muffler.

DSK