A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott:
============
I don¹t recall either, but that's an easy one: Yes, but with some
reservations...

Good to see you coming over to the bright side GRIN
============

I'll bet we could explore plenty of issues in the realm of social
libertarianism and find common ground... waddya think? Do you fancy
yourself a social libertarian?

Not really. I do admire some libertarian principles, but not all, or even
most of them. They unfortunately mix in some really stupid ideas with some
very good ones. Libertarian dogma has one prime failu it presumes the
universal existence of something that is in fact pretty rare in human
behavior: altruism.

I don¹t think there's a category for my political beliefs. I subscribe to
some parts of many different philosophies. If I have a core belief, it's one
of ordered individual liberty that recognizes some vital truths of human
nature, combined with a strong belief in personal accountability and
responsibility, and a disdain for whining, excuses and avoidance of
consequences.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott Weiser wrote:
A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:


Scott:
============
I don¹t recall either, but that's an easy one: Yes, but with some
reservations...


Good to see you coming over to the bright side GRIN

============

I'll bet we could explore plenty of issues in the realm of social
libertarianism and find common ground... waddya think? Do you fancy
yourself a social libertarian?


Not really. I do admire some libertarian principles, but not all, or even
most of them. They unfortunately mix in some really stupid ideas with some
very good ones. Libertarian dogma has one prime failu it presumes the
universal existence of something that is in fact pretty rare in human
behavior: altruism.

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I lean to libertarian views when it comes to "victimless crimes". I find
that, as a society, we cause ourselves all sorts of headaches by trying
to impose "moral" values on everyone. Values that intrude into the
bedroom. Values that presume to know what people ought to (or not)
ingest. etc

frtzw906


I don¹t think there's a category for my political beliefs. I subscribe to
some parts of many different philosophies. If I have a core belief, it's one
of ordered individual liberty that recognizes some vital truths of human
nature, combined with a strong belief in personal accountability and
responsibility, and a disdain for whining, excuses and avoidance of
consequences.

A Usenet persona calling itself frtzw906 wrote:

Scott Weiser wrote:
A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:


Scott:
============
I don¹t recall either, but that's an easy one: Yes, but with some
reservations...


Good to see you coming over to the bright side GRIN

============

I'll bet we could explore plenty of issues in the realm of social
libertarianism and find common ground... waddya think? Do you fancy
yourself a social libertarian?


Not really. I do admire some libertarian principles, but not all, or even
most of them. They unfortunately mix in some really stupid ideas with some
very good ones. Libertarian dogma has one prime failu it presumes the
universal existence of something that is in fact pretty rare in human
behavior: altruism.

=============
I lean to libertarian views when it comes to "victimless crimes".

You need to be very careful in determining whether a crime is truly
"victimless" however. What may seem at first blush to be harmless is very
often quite harmful when looked at in broad context and intimate detail.

I find
that, as a society, we cause ourselves all sorts of headaches by trying
to impose "moral" values on everyone. Values that intrude into the
bedroom. Values that presume to know what people ought to (or not)
ingest. etc

Well, there are reasons for those imposed morals that have usually evolved
as a result of generations of ills and evils caused by libertine conduct and
a lack of moral training. Law is intimately connected to morality and has
always been. It's unavoidable that morality will be legislated, and it's
perfectly ethical for a society to do so in most cases.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

I find
that, as a society, we cause ourselves all sorts of headaches by trying
to impose "moral" values on everyone. Values that intrude into the
bedroom. Values that presume to know what people ought to (or not)
ingest. etc


Well, there are reasons for those imposed morals that have usually evolved
as a result of generations of ills and evils caused by libertine conduct and
a lack of moral training. Law is intimately connected to morality and has
always been. It's unavoidable that morality will be legislated, and it's
perfectly ethical for a society to do so in most cases.


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And often anathema to me.
=============

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself frtzw906 wrote:



I find
that, as a society, we cause ourselves all sorts of headaches by trying
to impose "moral" values on everyone. Values that intrude into the
bedroom. Values that presume to know what people ought to (or not)
ingest. etc


Well, there are reasons for those imposed morals that have usually evolved
as a result of generations of ills and evils caused by libertine conduct and
a lack of moral training. Law is intimately connected to morality and has
always been. It's unavoidable that morality will be legislated, and it's
perfectly ethical for a society to do so in most cases.


=============
And often anathema to me.
=============

What makes you think that your opinions are either important or
determinative?
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 4/3/05 2:01 AM:

A Usenet persona calling itself frtzw906 wrote:



I find
that, as a society, we cause ourselves all sorts of headaches by trying
to impose "moral" values on everyone. Values that intrude into the
bedroom. Values that presume to know what people ought to (or not)
ingest. etc


Well, there are reasons for those imposed morals that have usually evolved
as a result of generations of ills and evils caused by libertine conduct and
a lack of moral training. Law is intimately connected to morality and has
always been. It's unavoidable that morality will be legislated, and it's
perfectly ethical for a society to do so in most cases.


=============
And often anathema to me.
=============

What makes you think that your opinions are either important or
determinative?

"Both socialist states. Socialism = bad"
-- Scott "I Wish I Was" Weiser

KMAN being ever-so clever:



"Both socialist states. Socialism = bad"
-- Scott "I Wish I Was" Weiser


But why do I have this feeling that people have had similar fun with
that surname before...?

frtzw906

Scott asks of my libertarian views on social issues:
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What makes you think that your opinions are either important or
determinative?
=============

The fact that I'm a voter and will almost always prefer the candidate
with similar views makes my opinion important. Or did you think my vote
doesn't count?

frtzw906

On 3-Apr-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

What makes you think that your opinions are either important or
determinative?

Look who's talking - Mr Irrelevant himself. You can't even
form an opinion that's consistent with the facts.

Mike