Mike! Mike!

According to my news client, you posted responses to SW at 1:51, 1:56,
1:59, 2:03, and 2:08. And that's just so far this afternoon. After the
dozens (hundreds?) of these exchanges, do you see any change at all in
SW? It's said that one of the hallmarks of insanity is to keep repeating
the same behavior in the belief that the results will change. Odds are
against you, man. Give it up while you still have some sanity to cling to.

Of course, since SW, wilf, and TnT are already in my bit bucket, if you
stop there won't be any r.b.p coming into my computer at all.

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

Steve Cramer wrote:
Mike! Mike!

According to my news client, you posted responses to SW at 1:51,
1:56,
1:59, 2:03, and 2:08. And that's just so far this afternoon. After
the
dozens (hundreds?) of these exchanges, do you see any change at all
in
SW? It's said that one of the hallmarks of insanity is to keep
repeating
the same behavior in the belief that the results will change. Odds
are
against you, man. Give it up while you still have some sanity to
cling to.

Of course, since SW, wilf, and TnT are already in my bit bucket, if
you
stop there won't be any r.b.p coming into my computer at all.

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

Hey wilf, I see you and I are in this guys bucket with SW. That ought
to be real cozy, as if we care about his bucket to begin with.
Especially if Mike joins us. Of course I don't recall seeing him
posting any kayaking stuff either. Sounds to me like someone who likes
to set and complain about what's for dinner at a potluck, and he
brought canned beets. TnT

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott states:
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And provincial governments are controlled by the federal government.
Otherwise, provinces could opt out of the national health care system.
They
can't.
=================

Now, are you 100% sure that provinces can't opt out of the national
healthcare system?

Now be VERY careful when you answer this. This IS a trick question. To
answer it, you'll need to explain what would happen to a province that
opts out (or tries to opt out).

I hear Jeopardy music in the background..... Scotty, your time is
running out!!!!

Well, let's hear it. Clearly there is a national policy regarding this
issue, so once again we have central control. That the central government
may choose to allow a province to opt out doesn¹t deny the existence of a
federal program. Nor would the fact that the government-controlled health
care program is run by the provincial government in any way damage my
assertion. Government is government, whatever the level, and if it controls
and rations health care, the result is the same, irrespective of whether
it's done provincially (pun intended) or at the federal level. It's not the
free market, which is what counts.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott explains:
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For example, here in the US, we don't have any
"national police" equivalent to the RCMP. Each state has its own
system, and
some have "state police" with statewide criminal jurisdiction, and
others,
like Colorado, don't, and rely instead upon the county sheriff as the
primary law enforcement official of the county.
=================

Can you say FBI? Is that not a "national" police agency?

No, it's not. The FBI is a federal investigative agency, not a police force.
Furthermore, it's agents don't have authority to enforce state or local
laws, they can only investigate and enforce federal crimes and laws and have
no general police jurisdiction.


--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott:
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More students, more tuition, more alumni donations, more government
subsidies.

No students, no tuition, no alumni donations, no government subsidies.

Pretty simple, really.
===========

But WHY med schools?! They're so damned expensive to set up and run!

But there's profit to be made nonetheless.


And please, forget about "alumni donations". Yeah! Right! We'll rely on
donations to fund our med school. GOOD LUCK! You're losing it Scotty!

Hey, the CU med school gets millions and millions and millions from alums.


And as to "Our government doesn't mandate anything." Are you quite
sure? Are you saying that although the government funds Whazzits State
University and the University of Whazzit State, this state government
exercises "no" control over what happens there? How positively
generous.

Well, if you had heard about the Ward Churchill scandal (among others) at CU
Boulder, you would know that the state legislature's control over CU is
tenuous at best. CU receives less than 7 percent of its funding from the
state. The rest is tuition, donations and some research/patent income.
Believe me, if the legislature had any effective control over CU, Ward
Churchill would have been fired long ago. While the Governor does appoint
regents for all other colleges, CU (including the med school) Regents are
elected officials, and as such, have nearly plenary power.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott on RCMP vs FBI:
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The FBI is a federal investigative agency, not a police force.
Furthermore, it's agents don't have authority to enforce state or local
laws, they can only investigate and enforce federal crimes and laws and
have
no general police jurisdiction.
=================

semantics!

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott:
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Well, somebody's getting an education anyway.
==================

No thanks required. Think nothing of it.

You're quite welcome anyway.

Don't forget what my purpose here is. It's to stimulate debate, and by doing
so, cause people to think. I don¹t much care *what* they think, so long as
they exercise some mentation. That's why I'm very, very hard to insult and I
don't really mind being wrong (though I seldom am). I never take it
personally because I know that sometimes it necessary to pierce the Usenet
persona to get to the real truths involved, and sometimes that takes
vigorous and even contumacious debate to get beyond the sneering veneer and
to sort out the Netwits (of whom there are many) from those with some
modicum of wit and intelligence (who can be quite hard to find).

And most of my intended audience are the lurkers, of whom there are also
many, if my private email is any indicator, who enjoy the give and take.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott argues (incorrectly):
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That the central government
may choose to allow a province to opt out doesn=B9t deny the existence
of a
federal program.
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What was at issue was whether or not provinces had the freedom to opt
out. You suggested not. It was a question of having that freedom. They
do.

frtzw906

Scott decides:
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Government is government, whatever the level, and if it controls
and rations health care, the result is the same, irrespective of
whether
it's done provincially (pun intended) or at the federal level.
===========

Provincial governments do not ration health care. It is rationed
exactly as it is rationed in the USA: at the level of the individual
doctor or hospital (are they currently available to attend to your
needs?)

frtzw906

In discussing the finances of Whazzits State Univ, Scott asserts:
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But there's profit to be made nonetheless.
================

Profits!!!! Profits!!!???? A public university makes a profit! Surely
you jest. Help me with this. Point me to a source.

Scott:
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While the Governor does appoint regents for all other colleges,
====================

OK, and then you presume to tell me that the government exercises NO
control over the affairs of the universities and colleges?!

Sounds like a direct link from the governor's mansion into the
university president's office.

frtzw906