Scott states:
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And provincial governments are controlled by the federal government.
Otherwise, provinces could opt out of the national health care system.
They
can't.
=================

Now, are you 100% sure that provinces can't opt out of the national
healthcare system?

Now be VERY careful when you answer this. This IS a trick question. To
answer it, you'll need to explain what would happen to a province that
opts out (or tries to opt out).

I hear Jeopardy music in the background..... Scotty, your time is
running out!!!!

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott states:
=============
And provincial governments are controlled by the federal government.
Otherwise, provinces could opt out of the national health care system.
They
can't.
=================

Now, are you 100% sure that provinces can't opt out of the national
healthcare system?

Now be VERY careful when you answer this. This IS a trick question. To
answer it, you'll need to explain what would happen to a province that
opts out (or tries to opt out).

I hear Jeopardy music in the background..... Scotty, your time is
running out!!!!

Well, let's hear it. Clearly there is a national policy regarding this
issue, so once again we have central control. That the central government
may choose to allow a province to opt out doesn¹t deny the existence of a
federal program. Nor would the fact that the government-controlled health
care program is run by the provincial government in any way damage my
assertion. Government is government, whatever the level, and if it controls
and rations health care, the result is the same, irrespective of whether
it's done provincially (pun intended) or at the federal level. It's not the
free market, which is what counts.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott argues (incorrectly):
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That the central government
may choose to allow a province to opt out doesn=B9t deny the existence
of a
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What was at issue was whether or not provinces had the freedom to opt
out. You suggested not. It was a question of having that freedom. They
do.

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott argues (incorrectly):
===========
That the central government
may choose to allow a province to opt out doesn¹t deny the existence
of a
federal program.
=================

What was at issue was whether or not provinces had the freedom to opt
out. You suggested not. It was a question of having that freedom. They
do.

No, they don't, as I explain in detail elsewhere.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott decides:
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Government is government, whatever the level, and if it controls
and rations health care, the result is the same, irrespective of
whether
it's done provincially (pun intended) or at the federal level.
===========

Provincial governments do not ration health care. It is rationed
exactly as it is rationed in the USA: at the level of the individual
doctor or hospital (are they currently available to attend to your
needs?)

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott decides:
============
Government is government, whatever the level, and if it controls
and rations health care, the result is the same, irrespective of
whether
it's done provincially (pun intended) or at the federal level.
===========

Provincial governments do not ration health care.

Yes, they do.

It is rationed
exactly as it is rationed in the USA: at the level of the individual
doctor or hospital (are they currently available to attend to your
needs?)

Nope. Provincial governments set the policies for their provincial plans,
which must comport with the federal plan. Moreover, the feds have absolute
power to dictate what services are covered.


--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

On 31-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Now, are you 100% sure that provinces can't opt out of the national
healthcare system?

Now be VERY careful when you answer this. This IS a trick question. To
answer it, you'll need to explain what would happen to a province that
opts out (or tries to opt out).

Actually, there are a couple of ways out. However, ol' snotty could
never muster up that much understanding of any issue, let alone
Canadian politics, to know what they are.

Mike

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 31-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Now, are you 100% sure that provinces can't opt out of the national
healthcare system?

Now be VERY careful when you answer this. This IS a trick question. To
answer it, you'll need to explain what would happen to a province that
opts out (or tries to opt out).

Actually, there are a couple of ways out. However, ol' snotty could
never muster up that much understanding of any issue, let alone
Canadian politics, to know what they are.

Not really. The provinces are firmly attached to the federal teat and depend
on it for health care money, and, the Health Care Act mandates certain
things that obligate the provinces to provide health care plans, and then
the feds set the standards for the provincial plans.

A province opting out would violate the rights of its citizens, which are
established by the Act, and the federal government would not allow it and
can issue financial sanctions against the province for failing to comply
with the requirements of the Act.

Now, I suppose a province could secede and join the US, but I imagine Ottowa
would have something to say about that too.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

On 31-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Not really. The provinces are firmly attached to the federal teat and depend
on it for health care money,

Bull**** again. You don't know anything do you? The feds contribute
a _small_ portion of health care funding. Most of the funding is from
provincial governments.

the Health Care Act mandates certain
things that obligate the provinces to provide health care plans,

Which the provinces could opt out of - though that's unlikely,
since the plan is what the vast majority of Canadians support.

the feds set the standards for the provincial plans.

Minimal standards. The provinces are responsible for health
care.

You still haven't offered any info on how they could opt out,
but then we know you can't. You claim to have investigated
the Canadian health care system, but we know you lied about
that.

Mike