"basskisser" wrote in message
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K Smith wrote in message
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Bob Marx wrote:
Why?
50% on the 225 I was going to buy At only 3 yrs old?


If you think Honda & Yamaha are bad for depreciation you should see
what a used Ficht or optimax is worth, assuming anyone will buy them at
all:-)


K

Have any real data to back your wild allegations up, or just spewing
crap out of your blow hole, as usual?

You got any data? Look at the discounts that dealers were offering. Look
at the questions of reliability. The perception of the Ficht was they were
failing. And that perception leads to a heavy discount when selling. Plus
all the questions that were on this board and all the fishing / boating
boards about parts availability. That in and of itself lowers the price.
If I was in the market for a used O/B I would look at Yami, and Hondas, and
Merc's over the OMC, just because of the perception.

Calif Bill wrote:


You got any data? Look at the discounts that dealers were offering. Look
at the questions of reliability. The perception of the Ficht was they were
failing. And that perception leads to a heavy discount when selling. Plus
all the questions that were on this board and all the fishing / boating
boards about parts availability. That in and of itself lowers the price.


The persons who were defending ficht when it had an admitted 20% failure
rate, when warranty claims were exceeding eight+ million dollars, and
which sent OMC into bankruptcy are the same persons who are *still*
defending it now.

-- Charlie


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"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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K Smith wrote in message
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Bob Marx wrote:
Why?
50% on the 225 I was going to buy At only 3 yrs old?


If you think Honda & Yamaha are bad for depreciation you should see
what a used Ficht or optimax is worth, assuming anyone will buy them at
all:-)


K

Have any real data to back your wild allegations up, or just spewing
crap out of your blow hole, as usual?

You got any data? Look at the discounts that dealers were offering. Look
at the questions of reliability. The perception of the Ficht was they were
failing. And that perception leads to a heavy discount when selling. Plus
all the questions that were on this board and all the fishing / boating
boards about parts availability. That in and of itself lowers the price.
If I was in the market for a used O/B I would look at Yami, and Hondas, and
Merc's over the OMC, just because of the perception.

Here's some data - Last fall when J/E's road show stopped at my local
dealer I was quoted a price of $14,700 plus controls, prop and
installation and an 04 225 E-Tec/E-Rude. Meanwhile the Local Yamaha
dealer quoted me 15,800 on a 250 HPDI and 16,000 on a 225 4-Stroke.
This fall I got prices between 15K & 16K on the Yammy's, but I've been
watching the Boat Shopper ads for the E-Rude go from 13,900 in the
spring, thru 12,900, 12,500, and 11,995 in the summer and 10,500 in
the fall to $9995 a few weeks ago!!

As I've said here before, I know some folks that won't even think of
buying a used boat w/a late 90's early 00's Johnson or Evinrude, even
if its Carb'ed, and even more that won't touch a FICHT. You can argue
about whether thats fair, but fair or not a smaller buyer base measn a
harder sell and a lower price.

FishFan (proud owner of an 89 Johnson)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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K Smith wrote in message
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Bob Marx wrote:
Why?
50% on the 225 I was going to buy At only 3 yrs old?


If you think Honda & Yamaha are bad for depreciation you should see
what a used Ficht or optimax is worth, assuming anyone will buy them at
all:-)


K

Have any real data to back your wild allegations up, or just spewing
crap out of your blow hole, as usual?

You got any data?

There's tons of data out there. Can I suggest JD Powers owner
satisfaction surveys? But, I don't understand why you are asking ME
for data. Did I make any allegations?

"basskisser" wrote in message
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But, I don't understand why you are asking ME
for data. Did I make any allegations?

Sure you did. You claimed Yamaha outboards are made in the US with union
labor. Guess what? They're not.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On 27 Jan 2004 17:07:02 -0800, (FishFan) wrote:


Here's some data - Last fall when J/E's road show stopped at my local
dealer I was quoted a price of $14,700 plus controls, prop and
installation and an 04 225 E-Tec/E-Rude. Meanwhile the Local Yamaha
dealer quoted me 15,800 on a 250 HPDI and 16,000 on a 225 4-Stroke.
This fall I got prices between 15K & 16K on the Yammy's, but I've been
watching the Boat Shopper ads for the E-Rude go from 13,900 in the
spring, thru 12,900, 12,500, and 11,995 in the summer and 10,500 in
the fall to $9995 a few weeks ago!!

As I've said here before, I know some folks that won't even think of
buying a used boat w/a late 90's early 00's Johnson or Evinrude, even
if its Carb'ed, and even more that won't touch a FICHT. You can argue
about whether thats fair, but fair or not a smaller buyer base measn a
harder sell and a lower price.

FishFan (proud owner of an 89 Johnson)

Don't be so high and proud.... less than a year ago I was proud owner
of twin 1986 Yamahas.... but there comes a time when one must make a
decision to keep or not.

Much of the logic in this thread is flawed, because nearly all
outboards are overpriced.

Sure they are. So to get the most bang for your buck, you sometimes have to
take advantage of a company's "dumping" practices and buy their undervalued
outboard...like you did with the Suzuki's. They're terrific engines and
would be priced closer to Merc and Yamaha if Suzuki wasn't trying to gain
market share via dumping.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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FishFan wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
K Smith wrote in message
...
Bob Marx wrote:
Why?
50% on the 225 I was going to buy At only 3 yrs old?


If you think Honda & Yamaha are bad for depreciation you should
see
what a used Ficht or optimax is worth, assuming anyone will buy
them at
all:-)


K

Have any real data to back your wild allegations up, or just spewing
crap out of your blow hole, as usual?

You got any data? Look at the discounts that dealers were offering.
Look
at the questions of reliability. The perception of the Ficht was
they were
failing. And that perception leads to a heavy discount when
selling. Plus
all the questions that were on this board and all the fishing /
boating
boards about parts availability. That in and of itself lowers the
price.
If I was in the market for a used O/B I would look at Yami, and
Hondas, and
Merc's over the OMC, just because of the perception.

Here's some data - Last fall when J/E's road show stopped at my local
dealer I was quoted a price of $14,700 plus controls, prop and
installation and an 04 225 E-Tec/E-Rude. Meanwhile the Local Yamaha
dealer quoted me 15,800 on a 250 HPDI and 16,000 on a 225 4-Stroke.
This fall I got prices between 15K & 16K on the Yammy's, but I've been
watching the Boat Shopper ads for the E-Rude go from 13,900 in the
spring, thru 12,900, 12,500, and 11,995 in the summer and 10,500 in
the fall to $9995 a few weeks ago!!

As I've said here before, I know some folks that won't even think of
buying a used boat w/a late 90's early 00's Johnson or Evinrude, even
if its Carb'ed, and even more that won't touch a FICHT. You can argue
about whether thats fair, but fair or not a smaller buyer base measn a
harder sell and a lower price.

FishFan (proud owner of an 89 Johnson)


No offense,

Since when do you care if you're offensive?

NOYB wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

But, I don't understand why you are asking ME
for data. Did I make any allegations?

Sure you did. You claimed Yamaha outboards are made in the US with union
labor. Guess what? They're not.

No, he didn't. You've demonstrated you are a careless reader, prone to
jump to erroneous conclusions. This claim of yours is another example of
your inability to internalize what you read.

Yamaha has some plants in the United States, and most of these are
unionized. The company makes a variety of products here, notably some of
its musical instruments. Most of Yamaha's plants in Japan also are
unionized. The company does not exploit its Japanese or American work
forces, thanks in part to the fact that it is unionized.





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NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On 27 Jan 2004 17:07:02 -0800, (FishFan) wrote:


Here's some data - Last fall when J/E's road show stopped at my local
dealer I was quoted a price of $14,700 plus controls, prop and
installation and an 04 225 E-Tec/E-Rude. Meanwhile the Local Yamaha
dealer quoted me 15,800 on a 250 HPDI and 16,000 on a 225 4-Stroke.
This fall I got prices between 15K & 16K on the Yammy's, but I've been
watching the Boat Shopper ads for the E-Rude go from 13,900 in the
spring, thru 12,900, 12,500, and 11,995 in the summer and 10,500 in
the fall to $9995 a few weeks ago!!

As I've said here before, I know some folks that won't even think of
buying a used boat w/a late 90's early 00's Johnson or Evinrude, even
if its Carb'ed, and even more that won't touch a FICHT. You can argue
about whether thats fair, but fair or not a smaller buyer base measn a
harder sell and a lower price.

FishFan (proud owner of an 89 Johnson)

Don't be so high and proud.... less than a year ago I was proud owner
of twin 1986 Yamahas.... but there comes a time when one must make a
decision to keep or not.

Much of the logic in this thread is flawed, because nearly all
outboards are overpriced.

Sure they are. So to get the most bang for your buck, you sometimes have to
take advantage of a company's "dumping" practices and buy their undervalued
outboard...like you did with the Suzuki's. They're terrific engines and
would be priced closer to Merc and Yamaha if Suzuki wasn't trying to gain
market share via dumping.


Suzuki has been dumping its outboards in this country for years, yet it
still has negligible market share. It doesn't seem to be able to sign up
very many top-drawer outboard dealers. Dunno why.

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Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
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But, I don't understand why you are asking ME
for data. Did I make any allegations?

Sure you did. You claimed Yamaha outboards are made in the US with union
labor. Guess what? They're not.

No, he didn't. You've demonstrated you are a careless reader, prone to
jump to erroneous conclusions. This claim of yours is another example of
your inability to internalize what you read.


b'asskisser may not have directly said yamaha outboards are made in the
USA, but that certainly was the conclusion which he wanted the reader to
infer. His inference was completely wrong (no suprise there).

But you knew that already, krause. Your spin above is just another
example of the disingenuous-ness that it part and fiber of you.

'Why tell the truth when you can lie or deceive?'

-- Charlie


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