KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight, there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it, carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight, there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it, carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards) are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get stepped on."

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to
2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical
treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward.
Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight,
there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with
rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that
time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily
disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my
conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has
learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will
just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message through
very well with all this spitball shooting.


As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to
cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to
get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is
really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it,
carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs!

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health
care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done
so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards)
are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get
stepped on."

I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward, and
I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum ready
to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to
discuss.

I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System, and
whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal knowledge
to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with rick
to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see
anything that I can really ruminate on from either side. And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to
2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical
treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward.
Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight,
there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with
rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that
time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily
disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my
conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has
learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will
just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message through
very well with all this spitball shooting.

Do you think rick is interested in any messages?

He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements.



As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to
cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to
get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is
really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it,
carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs!

And if you were, you probably wouldn't know!

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health
care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done
so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards)
are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get
stepped on."

I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward

That sounds a bit more like foolish than brave :-D

and
I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum ready
to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to
discuss.

I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System

Neither does rick.

and
whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal knowledge
to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with rick
to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see
anything that I can really ruminate on from either side.

Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he has
failed to support it. Do you agree?

And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support?
The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support?

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple kayaks
result in increased death rates.

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to
2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is
the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating
factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical
treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high
moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward.
Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight,
there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to
be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with
rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that
time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of
you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily
disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my
conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has
learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I
will
just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message
through
very well with all this spitball shooting.

Do you think rick is interested in any messages?

He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements.

I don't know, he has a nice website with nice stories and pictures, I
suppose there is a message there. I don't know him personally, so I
don't know what his credentials are for the current topic. I believe he
lives up there in your neck of the woods somewhere on this side of the
border. So he may have some personal experience or ax to grind. As I
said before, last post, I have not bothered to find the contentious
post by either of you, and have tried to ignore this particular part of
the thread. Not my responsibility to certify the post of anyone but
myself.



As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to
cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand
to
get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is
really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it,
carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs!

And if you were, you probably wouldn't know!

No I usually know, and I have sensed some zinging around, but I've
learned to duck most of the time.

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for
health
care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has
done
so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards)
are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get
stepped on."

I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward

That sounds a bit more like foolish than brave :-D

It was not probably the smartest, but hey you don't get paid for being
smart!


and
I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum
ready
to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to
discuss.

I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System

Neither does rick.

So you say!

and
whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal
knowledge
to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with
rick
to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see
anything that I can really ruminate on from either side.

Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he
has
failed to support it. Do you agree?

I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support
it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!

And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works
for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business if
someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States,
which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided
that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to
support?

Ask, and answered!

The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.

Maybe, possibly, probably!

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came
back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know
when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I
have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of
you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from
our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my
good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that
you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call
him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim
from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to
support?

Ask, and answered!

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of
the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there
could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time
in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope
that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple
kayaks
result in increased death rates.

But purple kayaks would be fun to paddle. I almost bought a purple
Perception Overflow, but ended up with a yellow one instead. I do have
a purple paddle shirt that look pretty nice with the yellow kayaK. And
Paddling is what this forum is about, and anything else is OT and
subject to no particular rules of dialog. If you don't like the dialog
or question the integrity of the debatee, you can always withdraw when
you are no longer having fun, or get scared, or freaked out, or have a
headache.

I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are chats so
much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that much. You
should know by now that you are not likely going to convince him to
change, or be reasonable, or stay on message, or not be reduced to name
calling. And to think that you are going to achieve any sort of
integrity, maybe you have gone nuts. TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:36 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to
2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is
the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating
factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical
treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high
moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward.
Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight,
there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to
be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with
rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that
time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of
you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily
disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my
conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has
learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I
will
just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message
through
very well with all this spitball shooting.

Do you think rick is interested in any messages?

He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements.

I don't know, he has a nice website with nice stories and pictures, I
suppose there is a message there. I don't know him personally, so I
don't know what his credentials are for the current topic. I believe he
lives up there in your neck of the woods somewhere on this side of the
border. So he may have some personal experience or ax to grind. As I
said before, last post, I have not bothered to find the contentious
post by either of you, and have tried to ignore this particular part of
the thread. Not my responsibility to certify the post of anyone but
myself.



As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to
cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand
to
get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is
really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it,
carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs!

And if you were, you probably wouldn't know!

No I usually know, and I have sensed some zinging around, but I've
learned to duck most of the time.

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for
health
care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has
done
so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards)
are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get
stepped on."

I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward

That sounds a bit more like foolish than brave :-D

It was not probably the smartest, but hey you don't get paid for being
smart!


and
I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum
ready
to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to
discuss.

I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System

Neither does rick.

So you say!

and
whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal
knowledge
to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with
rick
to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see
anything that I can really ruminate on from either side.

Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he
has
failed to support it. Do you agree?

I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support
it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!

And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works
for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business if
someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States,
which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided
that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to
support?

Ask, and answered!

The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.

Maybe, possibly, probably!

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came
back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know
when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I
have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of
you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from
our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my
good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that
you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call
him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim
from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to
support?

Ask, and answered!

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of
the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there
could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time
in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope
that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple
kayaks
result in increased death rates.

But purple kayaks would be fun to paddle. I almost bought a purple
Perception Overflow, but ended up with a yellow one instead. I do have
a purple paddle shirt that look pretty nice with the yellow kayaK. And
Paddling is what this forum is about, and anything else is OT and
subject to no particular rules of dialog. If you don't like the dialog
or question the integrity of the debatee, you can always withdraw when
you are no longer having fun, or get scared, or freaked out, or have a
headache.

I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are chats so
much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that much.

Nah, you can't let the liars and degenerates take over just because they
"bother" you. Besides which, being challenged by someone with no integrity
is really not a challenge at all.

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom

snip...


I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are
chats so
much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that
much.

Nah, you can't let the liars and degenerates take over just
because they
"bother" you.
==================
LOL That's why he is arguing with you too, liar. Man, what an
idiot you are.



Besides which, being challenged by someone with no integrity
is really not a challenge at all.
================
I know. I haven't seen any from you since this started, liar.

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:

snip...


Do you think rick is interested in any messages?
==============
Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one?



He's not even interested in supporting any of his own
statements.
================
I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to.
Why is that? Too busy lying?



snip..



Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and
he has
failed to support it.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....




Do you agree?
=================
Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have supported
my claims. More than once.



And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it
works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business
if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the
States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people
decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed
to support?
The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....




Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I
came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't
know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your
spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back
and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one
of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know
from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning
by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum,
that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun
nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and
call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to
refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed
to support?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....





C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here
in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the
advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe
there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this
time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I
hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that
purple kayaks
result in increased death rates.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:19 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:

snip...


Do you think rick is interested in any messages?
==============
Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one?

There are no Canadians dying in waiting lines for health care. If just one
of them did, it would be a national scandal featured as the lead in every
news media.



He's not even interested in supporting any of his own
statements.
================
I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to.
Why is that? Too busy lying?

I haven't lied.

You made a claim that you can't support and you are too big of a coward to
admit it.




snip..



Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and
he has
failed to support it.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Even Tinkerntom, frightened as he seems to be of your lunacy, has
acknowledged that you have failed to prove your claim.

Do you agree?
=================
Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have supported
my claims. More than once.

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support
for your claim.

And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it
works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business
if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the
States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people
decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed
to support?
The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support
for your claim.

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I
came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't
know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your
spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back
and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one
of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know
from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning
by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum,
that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun
nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and
call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to
refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed
to support?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support
for your claim.





C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here
in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the
advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe
there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this
time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I
hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that
purple kayaks
result in increased death rates.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support
for your claim.

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:19 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:

snip...


Do you think rick is interested in any messages?
==============
Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one?

There are no Canadians dying in waiting lines for health care.
If just one
of them did, it would be a national scandal featured as the
lead in every
news media.
=======================
LOL Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day even you will
believe your ignorance.





He's not even interested in supporting any of his own
statements.
================
I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to.
Why is that? Too busy lying?

I haven't lied.
==================
Yes,. you have.


You made a claim that you can't support and you are too big of
a coward to
admit it.
================
Nope. I supported my claims. You've yet to refute them.





snip..



Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim,
and
he has
failed to support it.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Even Tinkerntom, frightened as he seems to be of your lunacy,
has
acknowledged that you have failed to prove your claim.
======================
No, he did not. You have very bad comprehension, fool. But, why
the reliance on somebody else again, fool? Why is it yiou seem
to be too stupid, too ignorant, or to frightened to look up the
information that I provided?



Do you agree?
=================
Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have
supported
my claims. More than once.

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.
=================
Try again, fool...


And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if
it
works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business
if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the
States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people
decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has
failed
to support?
The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.
================
Try again, fool.



Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I
came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't
know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your
spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going
back
and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either
one
of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know
from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning
by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the
forum,
that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a
gun
nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his
"Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and
call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to
refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has
failed
to support?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.
===========
Try again, fool...






C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here
in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic
building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the
advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe
there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at
this
time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and
I
hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really
a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that
purple kayaks
result in increased death rates.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.
================
Try again, fool.